<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi Arno,</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks, maybe my understanding was wrong. One more quick question: Getting back to <em>Tools>Reject data using ICA>Reject components by map</em>, are there any off-GUI functions for the greyed out buttons? Also, for the fuction <em>POP_REJCOMP </em>mentioned in <em>HELP</em>,</font> where could I find more details about it?</div>
<div> </div><div>Thank you very much, Pan<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Arnaud Delorme <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arno@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">arno@ucsd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Pete,<div><br></div><div>the functions mentioned in the paper are to reject data epochs. </div><div>There are functions to reject ICA components automatically when you are using STUDY (group analysis). I am thinking of the CORRMAP plugin and EyeCatch implemented by Nima Bigdely <nima at <a href="http://sccn.ucsd.edu" target="_blank">sccn.ucsd.edu</a>> (email him as I do not think his plugin is available on the internet). It will be able to detect your blink components in each subject.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think the ADJUST plugin might also do this kind of things but I am not sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Arno</div><div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 25 Feb 2013, at 21:05, Liu Pan wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Arno,<br><br>Thanks for your reply! But the function mentioned in your paper is to reject ICA components (not epochs); whereas the function "<i>Tools > Reject data using ICA > Reject data (all methods)" </i>is to reject epochs/trials based on ICA activities, not components, right? Or did I miss anything on this function?<br>
<br>Thanks for your clarification! Pan<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Arnaud Delorme <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arno@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">arno@ucsd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Liu,<div><br></div>
<div>(1) yes, the menus are greyed out but to tell the truth, they have always been. This is not the function that is referred to in the paper you mentionned. The function corresponds to the menu "Tools > Reject data epochs > Reject data (all methods)" and "Tools > Reject data using ICA > Reject data (all methods)"</div>
<div><br></div><div>Arno</div><div><div><div><br><div><div>On 25 Feb 2013, at 18:32, Makoto Miyakoshi wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Liu,<div><br></div><div>(1) I've never noticed them until I confirmed it now. You are right, they are grayed out. They are not available from GUI at least, and I don't know if there are off-GUI functions for them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>(2) Plot - Component ERPs runs pop_envtopo() where you can evaluate percent variance accounted for (pvaf) and related measures that tell you each IC's contribution to scalp ERPs. ICs with lower numbers have high variance since they are sorted so after ICA. For example your IC90-IC100 would not have even 1/10 of variance of IC1 (could be even 1/100 which is 40dB smaller in FFT plot). This means that discarding 50 out of 100 ICs does not mean discarding 50% of data (variance). If you want to measure how much 'data' are rejected, you may check pvaf as one of measures.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Makoto <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/25 Liu Pan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pliu261@gmail.com" target="_blank">pliu261@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div><font face="georgia,serif">Dear eeglabbers, </font></div><div><font face="Georgia"></font> </div><div><font face="georgia,serif">I have 2 questions about the ICA component rejection function of EEGLAB:</font></div><div>
<font face="georgia,serif"></font> </div><div><font face="georgia,serif">(1). </font><font face="georgia,serif">I read the paper "Automatic artifact rejection for EEG data using high-order statistics and independent component analysis" by Drs. Delorme, Makeig, and Sejnowski. <a href="http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Finc.ucsd.edu%2Fica2001%2F117-delorme.pdf&ei=JakrUbjhCMe30gHevIGoCQ&usg=AFQjCNGwjRtjnTiRvUxguqJNAejvoD6a7g&sig2=9BQuz03YEzUOszEreafYgA" target="_blank">http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Finc.ucsd.edu%2Fica2001%2F117-delorme.pdf&ei=JakrUbjhCMe30gHevIGoCQ&usg=AFQjCNGwjRtjnTiRvUxguqJNAejvoD6a7g&sig2=9BQuz03YEzUOszEreafYgA</a></font></div>
<div><font face="georgia,serif">In <i>section3.3 </i>the authors mentioned that in addition to manually and visually rejecting ICA components based on the component properties, there is a function in EEGLAB software by which one can set an adequate rejction threshold for three high-order statistical measures (the entropy of the activity of the component, the kurtosis of the activity, and the kurtosis of the components' spatial map), then one can automatically detect and reject components (insteady of mannually doing so). In search of this function in EEGLAB, I found that i</font><font face="georgia,serif">n the <i>Tools--Reject data using ICA--Reject components by map</i> function, there are 3 buttons at the bottom of the popped out window (<i>set threshods, see comp. st..., see projection)</i> which appear to be grey and inactive. I suppose these buttons, especially the on <i>set threshods, </i>are relevant to the automatic ICA component rejection function mentioned in that paper. However, these buttons are not active and cannot be used. According to t</font><font face="georgia,serif">he <i>Help</i> file of this function, <i>"if the function POP_REJCOMP is ran prior to this function, some fields of the EEG datasets will be present and the current function will have some more button active to tune up the automatic rejection."</i> I searched <i>POP_REJCOMP</i> function but failed to get a clue from the tutorial nor the previous discussion list. </font><font face="georgia,serif">Could anyone give me any suggestion about this? Are these inactive buttons the ones for automatic ICA component rejection? If yes, how can I get them to work?</font></div>
<div><font face="Georgia"></font> </div><div><font face="Georgia">(2). While doing ICA component rejection, how many of the original components would you reject? I sometimes rejected almost half of them, is it too much or not? </font></div>
<div><font face="Georgia"></font> </div><div><font face="Georgia">Thank you very much for any of your input in advance! Pan</font><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Liu Pan, PhD. Candidate<br>Neuropragmatics and Emotion Lab (Pell Lab)<br>School of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>Faculty of Medicine, McGill University<br>Montreal, Canada<br><br>
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