<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Otte,</div><div><br></div><div>This is cited from the paper pp1376.</div><div><br></div><div>%%%</div><div>Qualitative inspection of unwrap phase from real EEG data, Fig. 2, shows in light blue that ICA removals introduce phase changes. Phase data was unwrap for Fig. 2 but not for analysis of Fig. 3. As seen in Fig. 2, the reconstructed data from independent components shows a big disruption in</div><div>phase when the identified ocular ICA components have been removed before reconstruction. This was expected to occur due to the contribution of these components to the averaged signal of the EEG at electrode level, especially in the low frequencies range, where the blink artifacts have an important</div><div>contribution. This evidence shows that ICA removal has affected phase differentially across frequencies.</div><div>%%%</div><div><br></div><div>So he says when he removed eye IC, it changed the phase of the data. Am I right? Then I don't see any problem. In order not to change the phase info, then the decomposed activity and the original activity should have the same phase, but what does that mean??</div><div><br></div><div>Makoto</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 10:43 AM, otte georges <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:georges.otte@pandora.be" target="_blank">georges.otte@pandora.be</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="NL-BE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear all<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If we reject some artefacts in eeg recordings by zeroing their components and then reconstruct the “original” EEG by multiplying the rest of the components matrix with the inverted unmixing matrix, the time points of the “reconstructed” eeg are a weighted linear interpolation and hence there will be changes in phase angle between channels.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This is a topic that is rarely mentioned in ICA literature although some simulation studies have been done (Montefusco at al) <a href="http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abstractAuthors.jsp?arnumber=6696198" target="_blank">http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abstractAuthors.jsp?arnumber=6696198</a> showing that the phase distortion is largest at the origin of the artefact (due to weighting coefficients) and within its frequency range , yet the effect is not stationary.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is there a way, a strategy, a method , when using ICA for rejecting EEG artefacts , to avoid this phase distortion problem ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sincerely<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Georges<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></font></span></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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