<div dir="ltr">Arno, other possibility of becoming rank-deficient is bridging across channels. What cap did you use?<div><br></div><div>I recommend you check the rank using 3-sec length of data or around (needs to be adjusted; longer the data, lower the rank is estimated). I still think it is the case of rank deficiency, although I don't understand why 'pca', 20 in 32ch dataset did not solve the problem. If the data rank is lower than 20, then you can't say it's ICA's fault.<div><br></div><div>By the way did you show spectral plot of the decomposed activities? You'll find an interesting plot...</div><div><br></div><div>Makoto<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Arnaud Delorme <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arno@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">arno@ucsd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">The data was not full rank but necessary corrections were done (PCA of number of channels-1). Full rank is a common issue though and one that should be checked first.<div><br><div>This is another problem which might be specific to the EEG amplifier and to Infomax ICA in which the first two components become quite noisy.</div><div><br></div><div>Arno</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><div>On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Makoto Miyakoshi <<a href="mailto:mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Arno, check if your original data was full rank. I've repeatedly seen this before, and I found it happens when the data are not full ranked. By the way, when you run matlab rank() don't use too long data, just give it short data long... you may also want to test it by changing the length (1:1000, 1:10000, 1:100000...) In the middle of this wiki page <a href="http://sccn.ucsd.edu/wiki/Makoto%27s_preprocessing_pipeline" target="_blank">http://sccn.ucsd.edu/wiki/Makoto%27s_preprocessing_pipeline</a> I put an example of such case. <div><div><br></div><div>Makoto</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Arnaud Delorme <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arno@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">arno@ucsd.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have recently added a small section to the EEGLAB wiki that deals with working with ICA decomposition where the two first components activity is extremely noisy (which seems to be a bug of Infomax). This does not happen often, but I thought I should share it with the list.<br>
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<a href="http://sccn.ucsd.edu/wiki/Chapter_09:_Decomposing_Data_Using_ICA#How_to_deal_with_.22corrupted.22_ICA_decompositions" target="_blank">http://sccn.ucsd.edu/wiki/Chapter_09:_Decomposing_Data_Using_ICA#How_to_deal_with_.22corrupted.22_ICA_decompositions</a><br>
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