<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426936682163_15870" dir="ltr">Dears</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426936682163_15870" dir="ltr">I ran the 'fine_fit' with 'symmetry constrain for dipole' is OFF. I did that to get lower RV value.</div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, 19 March 2015, 17:48, Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8908731157"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear Salim,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Well, I'm concerned with the two dipole fit results. They don't seem symmetrical. How did you obtain the current positions?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Makoto</div></div><div class="yiv8908731157gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8908731157yqt6429950712" id="yiv8908731157yqt60008"><div class="yiv8908731157gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:28 AM, Salim Al-wasity <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com">salim_alwasity@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv8908731157gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><span class="yiv8908731157"></span><div dir="ltr">Dear Mr. Makoto</div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for your reply. I attached a picture of bilateral dipoles obtained by (Locate Dipoles using DIPFIT2> Plot component dipoles) and it shows only only coordinate. However (Locate Dipoles using DIPFIT2> Fine fit) shows two coordinates. Which coordinates are the correct one?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely</div><div dir="ltr">Salim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-waDFAaEHcudzlhTzJEU21xUUk/view?usp=sharing">dipoles.JPG</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="width:450px;font-family:'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;background-color:#ffffff;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="width:450px;height:170px;display:block;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="8" rowspan="1" style="height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;border-collapse:collapse;"><div style="min-height:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1px;line-height:0px;"> </div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="5" style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt;border-collapse:collapse;"><div style="width:1px;background-color:#e5e5e5;font-size:1pt;"> </div></td><td 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style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Wednesday, 4 March 2015, 15:50, Salim Al-wasity <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com">salim_alwasity@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr">Dear Mr. Makoto</div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for your reply. I attached a picture of bilateral dipoles obtained by (Locate Dipoles using DIPFIT2> Plot component dipoles) and it shows only only coordinate. However (Locate Dipoles using DIPFIT2> Fine fit) shows two coordinates. Which coordinates are the correct one?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely</div><div dir="ltr">Salim</div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 2:03, Makoto Miyakoshi <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu">mmiyakoshi@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Dear Salim and Arno (cc Caterina)<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Sorry for the slow response.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">> Therefore I used bilateral dipoles to reduce the RV.</span><br clear="none"></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Use bilateral dipole only when you see clear bilateral scalp topography!</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">> 1- In (plot component dipoles) options, it gives me only one coordination ever if I have two dipoles. How can I know where these two dipoles are?</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Really? That sounds weird to me. You should close the fine fit window by pressing 'ok' and not 'x' to update the data.</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">>2- Using a PCA clustering approach, I might find one cluster located at the right hemisphere but it has some dipoles at the left side (bilateral dipoles), Is this cluster correct?</div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Yes, that should be correct. To be honest I don't know how STUDY clustering handles dual dipoles, and I (and Caterina also) have wanted to know about it. Arno?</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Makoto</span></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Salim Al-wasity <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:salim_alwasity@yahoo.com">salim_alwasity@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><div>Dears<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">After decompose my EEG data to components using ICA and estimate their dipoles, some of these dipoles have high residual variance(RV). Therefore I used bilateral dipoles to reduce the RV.</div><div dir="ltr">1- In (plot component dipoles) options, it gives me only one coordination ever if I have two dipoles. How can I know where these two dipoles are?</div><div dir="ltr">2- Using a PCA clustering approach, I might find one cluster located at the right hemisphere but it has some dipoles at the left side (bilateral dipoles), Is this cluster correct?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely</div><span><font color="#888888"></font></span><div dir="ltr">Salim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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