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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">thank you very much for your suggestions. I work on a computer with i7 3.60 GHz processor, 8 GB RAM or notebook with i7 2.5 GHz and 8GB Ram
– this should be okay.</span></p>
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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Gladly, the ICA eventually finds a solution and the IC maps look good. However, the question for me is still why does the ICA become >10
times slower after changing the pre-processing routine. I’ve continued testing and indeed the high-pass filter seems to be responsible for the differences.</span></p>
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Kaiser window. When I change the filter (settings) while keeping all other steps the same, I see huge differences in ICA runtime in some subjects. That is, when using a 0.1 Hz Butterworth filter instead, ICA is running fast again (< 1h for the subjects where
it took > 30h before). With the eeglab basic FIR filter with 1 Hz passband edge and default settings defined by the internal heuristic (resulting in 0.5 Hz cut-off, 1 Hz trans. bandwidth) it’s also running much faster in most subjects but already takes >20h
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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I’d be very grateful if anyone could provide more insight!</span></p>
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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
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Hannah</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
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<div class="PlainText">Hannah Hiebel, Mag.rer.nat.<br>
Cognitive Psychology & Neuroscience</div>
<div class="PlainText">Department of Psychology, University of Graz</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>Von:</b> Alberto Sainz <albertosainzc@gmail.com><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 18. Jänner 2017 04:29<br>
<b>An:</b> Hiebel, Hannah (hannah.hiebel@uni-graz.at)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> eeglablist@sccn.ucsd.edu<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Eeglablist] ICA running very slowly</font>
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<div dir="ltr">I would suggest to try in a different computer. I have been applying ICA in a 14 electrode 30min continuous EEG recording (around 40mb) in two different computers. 2Ghz dual core computer took 1h. 2.2Ghz i7 takes around 5 minutes.<br>
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I know your data is larger but just to say that the processor (and probably the RAM if is too small) matters a lot.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-16 20:26 GMT+01:00 Hiebel, Hannah (<a href="mailto:hannah.hiebel@uni-graz.at">hannah.hiebel@uni-graz.at</a>)
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am using ICA to clean my EEG data for eye-movement related artifacts. I’ve already done some testing in the past to see how certain pre-processing steps affect the quality of my decomposition
(e.g. filter settings). In most cases, it took approximately 1-2 hours to run ICA for single subjects (62 channels: 59 EEG, 3 EOG channels).<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Now that I run ICA on my final datasets it suddenly takes hours over hours to do only a few steps. It still works fine in some subjects but in others runica takes up to 50 hours. I observed
that in some cases the weights blow up (learning rate is lowered many times); in others it starts right away without lowering the learning rate but every step takes ages.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I’ve done some troubleshooting to see if a specific pre-processing step causes this behavior but I cannot find a consistent pattern. It seems to me though that (at least in some cases) the high-pass
filter played a role – can anyone explain how this is related? Could a high-pass filter potentially be too strict?<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On the eeglablist I could only find discussions about rank deficiency (mostly due to using average reference) as a potential reason. I re-referenced to linked mastoids – does this also affect
the rank? When I check with <em><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">rank(EEG.data(:, :))
</span></em>it returns 62 though, which is equal to the number of channels. For some of the “bad” subjects I nonehteless tried without re-referencing – no improvement. Also, reducing dimensionality with pca ("pca, 61") didn’t help.<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Any advice would be very much appreciated!<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Many thanks in advance,</span></p>
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