<div dir="ltr">Dear Johanna,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for clarification.<br><div>
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<p>Dear Makoto, </p>
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<p>thanks for your fast answering! </p>
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as far as I know, EEGLAB's ANOVA may have limitation in mixed design i.e., mixture of repeated and non-repeated measures.</span><span style="font-size:10pt"><</span></p>
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<p>Okay, Maybe that's the "problem", cause I computed a repeated ANOVA.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt">></span><span style="font-size:10pt">If your 4x2 factorial deisgn mixed design? Also, what did you test? Mean amplitude of a window, or what? Give me more info and I may be able to help you.</span><font color="#003000" face=""wf_segoe-ui_normal","Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,"EmojiFont""><span style="font-size:10pt"><</span></font></p>
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<p>Yes, I've used a 4x2 mixed desgin. I tested 10 subjects and each of them passed randomised through each condition. My 4 independent variables were:</p>
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<li>15 min. dancing with music</li><li><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">15
min. dancing without music</span></li><li><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></span><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">15
min. sitting and dance <span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">mentally
</span>with music</span></li><li><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></span><span>1<span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">5
min. sitting and dance</span><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"> </span><span id="m_-7846434723343424621ms-rterangepaste-start"></span><span>mentally
</span><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></span><span style="display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,"EmojiFont","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe UI Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">with
music</span></span></li></ol>
<div>Before and after each condition were the EEG measurements (resting condition; 2 min. eyes-open, 2 min. eyes-closed). I tested the mean amplitude of the resting conditions. </div>
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<div>Hope this was explicitly enough?</div>
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<div>Thanks a lot in advance!</div>
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<p>Johanna Wind</p>
<p>wissenschaftliche Hilfskraft</p>
<p>Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz</p>
<p>Institut für Sportwissenschaft</p>
<p>Abt. Sportpädagogik/ -Ethik</p>
<p>Raum: 00-127</p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 6. Juli 2018 21:11:35<br>
<b>An:</b> Wind, Johanna<br>
<b>Cc:</b> EEGLAB List<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Eeglablist] ANOVA and Bonferroni_eeglab vs. SPSS</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Johanna,
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">> Does eeglab use the same computation of ANOVA and Bonferroni-correction like SPSS does?</span><br>
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<div>EEGLAB uses statcond() for parametric (<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">t-test and ANOVA</span>) and non-parametric (permutation, bootstrap). For multiple
comparison correction, it has fdr() and bonf_holm(). I don't use SPSS but the algorithm should be the same. However, as far as I know, EEGLAB's ANOVA may have limitation in mixed design i.e., mixture of repeated and non-repeated measures.</div>
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> For clearer understanding here a short overview of my study design:<u></u><u></u></p>
There were 4 conditions and 2 testing times (pretest and posttest) with 19 electrodes. I computed a pairwise comparison between the conditions and the testing times. There were significant differences between the conditions in SPSS, but not so in eeglab.<br>
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<div>Oh boy, this is not cleaner to me unfortunately!</div>
<div>Did you perform ANOVA, or what? If your 4x2 factorial deisgn mixed design? Also, what did you test? Mean amplitude of a window, or what? Give me more info and I may be able to help you.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:33 AM Wind, Johanna <<a href="mailto:jwind01@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank">jwind01@uni-mainz.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello everybody, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I‘ve got a question in relation to the eeglab output. Does eeglab use the same computation of ANOVA and Bonferroni-correction like SPSS does? When I transfer the specdata from eeglab to SPSS and compute an ANOVA with post hoc tests in order
to get pairwise comparisons between my conditions, there were given significant differences. But in the pairwise comparison of the conditions in eeglab are not all electrodes significant like shown in SPSS.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For clearer understanding here a short overview of my study design:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There were 4 conditions and 2 testing times (pretest and posttest) with 19 electrodes. I computed a pairwise comparison between the conditions and the testing times. There were significant differences between the conditions in SPSS, but
not so in eeglab. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would be awesome, if you can reply my questions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="color:black">Johanna Wind<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Institut für Sportwissenschaft<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Abt. Trainings- und Bewegungswissenschaften<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Raum: 00-113<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Tel.: 06131-24560<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Sprechstunde nach Vereinbarung</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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