[Eeglablist] http://www.appliedneuroscience.com/ANSA-ICA_Reconstruction.mp4

Robert Thatcher rwthatcher2 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 20 06:11:24 PDT 2017


Dear Ramon    Thank you.   I will follow your hyperlinks and view the posts.  My last email was private only to yourself and a few other individuals and not to the EEGlablist.   I appreciate your prompt reply to my sincere concerns.
I agree that this is a valuable discussion and I will take a look at Arnu's latest post and further evaluate the possible small amount of eye movement in the artifact free segment that I created.   A problem to be addressed is even if there is a small amount of eye movement the rather large adulterations in phase differences in all channels and all frequencies needs to be better understood.
Thank you again and best regards,
Robert

On Monday, June 19, 2017, 9:27:37 PM EDT, Ramón Martinez <nucleuscub at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Robert,  No problem at all. However, I feel these concerns and the willingness to check its veracity should have come to you before making such a strong statement regarding your banning from the list. An attitude like the one suggested in your statement is not tolerated under our standards.Regarding your question, on the main page of the EEGLAB List, it can be seen a link to the eeglablist Archives..... that's where users can check the status/history of the messages.
I look forward to seeing the developments on this exciting discussion on ICA and Channel's data phase,Ramon 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Robert Thatcher <rwthatcher2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Ramon,    I received an explanation that no attachments are permitted and accordingly I have several postings without attachments.  All of my posts are followed by a message stating the post is under review by a moderator and I have not received a followup email stating that the post has been approved.  I do not know how to have access to the forum to view individual posts to verify that they were allowed to be delivered to the forum.  If the non-attachment replies have been posted then I stand corrected and I apologize.   Please let me know how I can verify that my posts are on the EEGlab forum.   
I have great respect for the EEGlab and Scott Makeig and Paul and Ramesh and Arno and others and the very important contributions made by this fantastic team.   The only issue is with ICA reconstruction that needs to be vetted and openly examined with facts.  I have no way to know if this is actually happening without verification that my posts and Georges's posts and possibly others on this topic were actually permitted to be posted on the EEGlab list.
Best regards,
Robert

On Monday, June 19, 2017, 8:51:38 PM EDT, Ramón Martinez <nucleuscub at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Robert, 



On Jun 19, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Robert Thatcher <rwthatcher2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,    My posts to the EEGlab forum are blocked and so I am no longer including the EEGlab email address in communications.  The "suppression" by the moderator is not good and given social media and internet the suppression will not prevent the truth from being made public.   Ironically, the dialog with Arnu started because he falsely posted on the internet that I had suppressed his email in response to the You Tube Video that is the URL below.

This statement is completely inaccurate .... indeed,  false. We have been very diligent in passing the emails regarding this discussion as soon as we have received them. I recall writing at least one-time last week to you explaining the reasons of WHY the email was rejected. I also gently invited to you to resubmit the emails without the attachments. We have proof of this. So let's  be clear and fair with our commitment here, there is no irony......no suppression of any kind has happened. One of the EEGLAB list moderators,Ramon
ps. You will receive this email twice... since you are still on the EEGLAB list.

 


http://www.appliedneuroscience .com/ANSA-ICA_Reconstruction. mp4

All the facts in this video are true and none of the email exchanges between myself and Arnu and Jason proved that these facts are not true.  Although Arnu's ICA reconstruction resulted in less distortion than the WinEEG ICA reconstruction, nonetheless each and every time point in the artifact free sections of the original EEG was distorted by both ICA reconstructions and for those interested I am again attaching the original EDF files so that if anyone is curious they can verify the distortion of the artifact free sections of the orginal data after removal of one ICA component and then using 18 ICA components to reconstruct 19 channels.
There are now many additional examples of this fact with independent verification by multiple professionals and no one can stop this truth seeking process.   The motivation to continue to expose the "adulteration" of the original EEG and therefore distortion of the underlying physics of the electricity of the brain will continue because patient's lives or the quality of life is at stake.  An ediface of false science is now being built based on aduleration of the underly electrical properties of the brain.  There is no justification for this, especially the strange belief repeated over and over again like a cult that: "channel level coherence is fundamentally misleading since brain sourcesin a particular area may project widely across most or all electrodes".
When one adulterates the microvolt values in the original EEG then one decouples the subject/patient from his/her brain and all subsequent analyses are invalid including directed coherence and coherency and cross-frequency coupling, and phase slope index and amplitude-phase coupling and any other volume conduction correction method.  

In the future there will be more You Tube Videos and publically available numbers and documents not only by myself but by many others and the battle to suppress and to maintain the cult belief system will be more difficult in the future.

Also, as a reminder how many agree to Georges proposition:  "Will you give me 19 bitcoins if I give you 18 bitcoins"?
Best regards,
Robert

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