[Eeglablist] [External] Re: Frequency-time spectrogram deconstruction

Fotiadis, Panagiotis Panagiotis.Fotiadis at pennmedicine.upenn.edu
Wed Jan 9 11:46:57 PST 2019

Hi Makoto,

Thank you for the really great advice! The two links you provided are extremely helpful.

I had a few follow-up questions:

1) In addition to calculating the average absolute power (as your script nicely shows), I was also interested in calculating the average absolute (and relative) power at binned time intervals (e.g. avg power between 0-1sec, avg power between 1-2sec, etc) within the dataset. I tried to use the "spectra" output from spectopo but from what I gather it comes up with [(sampling rate)/2 + 1] points rather that one power-spectral point per timepoint. How would you recommend that I proceed?

2) Is there a way to display how do topographic maps (scalp heat maps) change with time (I'm able to see how they change with different frequencies but I was interested in seeing how they also change with time)? Would the function timtopo be the best way to do that?

3) A more general question:  If I write a matlab script that I would like to apply on a bunch of datasets (which in my case are just epochs of different lengths that I have extracted from my original dataset), should I put all said datasets  (which I have already pre-processed and applied ICA on) in a STUDY set and then apply the script there, or should I just write a for loop in matlab and apply the script in each individual dataset? In other words, does the STUDY set offer an advantage in this case?  (I apologize for the potential triviality of this one!)

Thank you again in advance for your time and help!



Panagiotis Fotiadis

PhD Student | Neuroscience Graduate Group

Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania

From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:48:37 PM
To: Fotiadis, Panagiotis
Cc: eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu
Subject: [External] Re: [Eeglablist] Frequency-time spectrogram deconstruction

Dear Panos,

Welcome to the time-frequency world.

> Would I just need to bandpass filter my post-processed EEG signal to each frequency range of interest (i.e., alpha: 8-12Hz etc) and then plot the remaining EEG signal over time, or is there another way to do this?

That's one way to go. Nothing is wrong with that!

More convenient and established way to go is to perform time-frequency transform using short-term Fourier transform or Wavelet transform. Google EEGLAB time-frequency and you'll find many of our past workshop materials. For example, see Slide 21 of this file

You can also obtain bin-mean values from power spectral density. See below.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:34 AM Fotiadis, Panagiotis <Panagiotis.Fotiadis at pennmedicine.upenn.edu<mailto:Panagiotis.Fotiadis at pennmedicine.upenn.edu>> wrote:


I am fairly new to EEGLab and I had a question concerning the deconstruction of my EEG signal into its alpha/beta/theta/delta sub-components:

After pre-processing some subjects with EEG data from 128 channels and performing ICA (using runica), I used eeglab and chronux to plot the power/frequency and frequency/time spectrograms of several epochs of interest.

Is there a way to extract the alpha/beta/theta/delta frequencies of those epochs and quantify when they occur in time? I can visualize when each type of neuronal oscillation occurs by looking at the overall frequency/time spectrogram, but I was wondering whether there was a more robust way to actually plot each type of oscillation separately and/or quantify when it occurs.

Would I just need to bandpass filter my post-processed EEG signal to each frequency range of interest (i.e., alpha: 8-12Hz etc) and then plot the remaining EEG signal over time, or is there another way to do this?

Thank you in advance!



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Makoto Miyakoshi
Swartz Center for Computational Neuroscience
Institute for Neural Computation, University of California San Diego
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