[Eeglablist] margaux.izac at u-bordeaux.fr sent you Rank issue via WeTransfer

Wed Nov 15 05:12:22 PST 2023

Dear Margaux,
Is it possible that there was an excess of gel resulting in bridging
between electrodes?

Best!

Mireia Torralba Cuello
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Missatge de Margaux Izac via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> del dia
dc., 15 de nov. 2023 a les 14:09:

> Hello,
>
> Would someone please know :
> - Why does the window before ICA warns us about a rank issue although our
> rank is 32 ?
> - What could impact the data's rank when some files have a rank of 29,
> other than two electrodes recording the same signal ?
>
> (see detailed version of the issue further down)
>
> Best regards,
> Margaux IZAC
>
>
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> Message:
> Hello,
>
> We have recently used an eegosport 32 channels headset (ANT Neuro) for an
> experiment and
> are now analysing the data with eeglab. However we're struggling with what
> seems to be a
> rank issue.
> For the experiment we used OpenVibe and created a channel list of 34
> electrodes where CPz
> and AFz were at the very end so that OpenVibe could identify them as
> Reference and Ground.
> When importing our data from a GDF file on eeglab we therefore ended up
> with 34 electrodes
> in the Channel locations window.
> After confirmation from ANT Neuro, we manually rejected CPz and AFz to
> then follow the
> "Append Channel", "Look up locks", "Set reference" procedure from the
> section 5b-Retaining
> the reference channel chapter of the eeglab documentation. After these
> steps, we ended up
> with 32 electrodes and CPz set as a Reference in the blue eeglab window.
> We also tried to only reject AFz and directly set CPz as Reference but
> this procedure was
> slightly different as we ended up with 33 electrodes and CPz set as a
> Reference in the
> blue eeglab window.
>
> In both cases we tried launching ICA after only applying a bandpass filter
> and resampling
> the data to 250Hz and got a message (see ICA rank 0 message.png) saying
> the rank of the
> data matrix was lower than the number of input data channels. Hyeonseok et
> al., 2023 paper
> was useful to better understand this issue and suggested we check the rank
> by using the
> function rank(EEG.data).
>
> To our suprise, our rank was 30 (for Test_1.gdf).
> As two channels that have identical data induce a data rank of n-1 we
> checked our EEG.data
> matrix but values seemed correct. We therefore decided to take a look at a
> matrix
> correlation with corrcoef(EEG.data') and saw that sometimes, the values
> were close to 0,99
> (see Covariance_Test_1.mat).
>
> We tried different GDF files and some had a rank of 32 (see Test_2.gdf),
> others a rank of
> 29 (see Test_7.gdf). The amount of correlation values close to 0.99 varied
> from 0 to 4 in
> all our tested files.
> We tried launching an ICA everytime but got the same message whatever the
> rank.
>
> Therefore our questions are the following :
> - What could impact rank data ?
> - Why does the ICA error message still pop up when our rank is 32 ?
>
> I will attach to this message our code (ICA_rank_issue.m), three GDF files
> (Test_1.gdf;
> Test_2.gdf & Test_7.gdf) and their corresponding correlation matrix
> (Covariance_Test_1.mat, Covariance_Test_2.mat & Covariance_Test_7.mat).
>
> Thanking you in advance for your help.
>
> Best regards,
> Camille JEUNET-KELWAY, Emeline PIERRIEAU and Margaux IZAC
>
>
>
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> Rank issue eeglab.zip - 33.4 MB
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