[Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s 1/f

Thu Nov 6 04:28:06 PST 2025

Hello List, Makoto, 

I’d be interested to know more about what the project would entail.

Thanks
Best
Sara

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Sara Assecondi, PhD

Department of Psychology and Cognitive Science (DIPSCO)
Center for Mind and Brain Sciences (CIMeC),
University of Trento, Italy

Corso Bettini, Rovereto, TN, IT
room: 238, Fedrigotti
email: sara.assecondi at unitn.it
website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://webapps.unitn.it/du/it/Persona/PER0056324/Curriculum__;!!Mih3wA!Aa3CRAgE3LH1hKIV4Q1iSWUuqmkGjEQ8gRvWNxVA_Rk4edkZiDcCAVUO6XUGJkanVSfWzdiD8kqM3TaFI8nHRfQg0dQB7e6k$  

> 
> From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 01:07:02 CET
> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> 
> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
> 
> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
> are what matter most.
> 
> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> everyone can stay in the loop.
> 
> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> mailing list–initiated publications.
> 
> Makoto
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$ 
> 
> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> 
> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  >>
> **Dear subscribers,
> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> 
> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> author did not like… etc., etc.
> 
>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  >>
> *>* wrote:
> *>* >
> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank issue
> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> *>* experiment
> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> *>* following
> *>* >> as an input.
> *>* >>
> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for asking
> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this issue,
> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> *>* >>
> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to this
> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  > If your
> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor. Probably
> *>* we
> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
> *>* EEGLAB
> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Makoto*
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Natarajan, Nandhini" <nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:00:10 CET
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>, EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Dear Makoto
> Thank you for the invitation. I’m a PhD student and have been using FOOOF on my MEG data. I’m curious to learn more about the 1/f power distribution and would love to collaborate on this paper.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Nandhini Natarajan
> 
> Doctoral Researcher
> 
> Centre of Excellence in Music, Mind, Body and Brain<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/hytk/fi/laitokset/mutku/en/research/coe-mmbb__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxflC9h6g$ >
> 
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> 
> nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi<mailto:nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, 5. November 2025 at 4.13
> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> 
> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> 
> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
> 
> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
> are what matter most.
> 
> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> everyone can stay in the loop.
> 
> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> mailing list–initiated publications.
> 
> Makoto
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.frontiersin.org*2Fjournals*2Fsignal-processing*2Farticles*2F10.3389*2Ffrsip.2023.1064138*2Ffull__*3B!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ*24&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055809984592*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=R*2Bua7eAFZAQLPHO*2FW3qPaq5WtEvz9WV1sRqCnDoM7n0*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxCBoKKIQ$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$>
> 
> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> 
> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810020066*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DSIoQyV9qa7*2BW*2FCHz4oGTmjTdU5JiCI9p7XL*2BSzKJr8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxPfiGC8A$  >>
> **Dear subscribers,
> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> 
> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> author did not like… etc., etc.
> 
>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810039025*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=EU5i3y5ahzNpEIwr2rLcjHI7ghJwjpjY0z7b1*2FqzDVo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5ly_qp-Scw$  >>
> *>* wrote:
> *>* >
> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank issue
> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> *>* experiment
> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> *>* following
> *>* >> as an input.
> *>* >>
> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for asking
> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this issue,
> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> *>* >>
> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to this
> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu. <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810049287*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DohfPMmUxm7uzkfoDHJSKt3cMLCwwXg*2FnQ6Ne3*2FOCYM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lx5vHm6NQ$  > If your
> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor. Probably
> *>* we
> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
> *>* EEGLAB
> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Makoto*
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Hanna Szakács <szakacsmiriamhanna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 14:03:08 CET
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was reading the mentioned conversation with great interest. I'm no expert
> in this field but would be interested to see how I could contribute.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Hanna
> 
> Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> ezt írta
> (időpont: 2025. nov. 5., Sze, 3:02):
> 
>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
>> 
>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
>> 
>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
>> are what matter most.
>> 
>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
>> everyone can stay in the loop.
>> 
>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
>> mailing list–initiated publications.
>> 
>> Makoto
>> 
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
>> 
>> 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
>> 
>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
>> 
>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> **Dear subscribers,
>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
>> 
>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
>> author did not like… etc., etc.
>> 
>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> *>* wrote:
>> *>* >
>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
>> issue
>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
>> *>* experiment
>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
>> *>* following
>> *>* >> as an input.
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
>> asking
>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
>> issue,
>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
>> this
>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   > If your
>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
>> Probably
>> *>* we
>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
>> *>* EEGLAB
>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Makoto*
>> _______________________________________________
>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
>> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
>> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: 장진원 <jinwon06292 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 18:56:03 CET
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Dear Prof. Miyakoshi and eeglab mailing list,
> 
> After I initiated the post about 1/f background activity in the mailing
> list, I have interestingly read all replies and posts that you and
> Gyurkovics made. Although I am not a specialist in bioengineering or signal
> processing, I'd like to contribute to this open project if there is any
> area that I could help with. I usually deal with empirical EEG data for
> diagnosis of psychological disorders or sleep abnormalities, so I may help
> you to test the 1/f distribution tool to empirical datasets somehow. Here
> is a short profile of my previous activities:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://orcid.org/0009-0004-6411-9761__;!!Mih3wA!DExfo_cajnGNEISR47nd1WXzAtRRDHfN40LtAOKv0-lvc1Z9oGpYe1SfygqH6IEFQJTg525Rqckdfpe_ROSazhuAnw$ 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Jinwon Chang
> 
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
>> 
>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
>> 
>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
>> are what matter most.
>> 
>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
>> everyone can stay in the loop.
>> 
>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
>> mailing list–initiated publications.
>> 
>> Makoto
>> 
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
>> 
>> 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
>> 
>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
>> 
>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> **Dear subscribers,
>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
>> 
>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
>> author did not like… etc., etc.
>> 
>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> *>* wrote:
>> *>* >
>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
>> issue
>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
>> *>* experiment
>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
>> *>* following
>> *>* >> as an input.
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
>> asking
>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
>> issue,
>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
>> this
>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   > If your
>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
>> Probably
>> *>* we
>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
>> *>* EEGLAB
>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Makoto*
>> _______________________________________________
>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
>> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
>> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 16:40:57 CET
> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> I'm surprised to find many responses in just over a night.
> 
> Ivano, Toby, Maruti, Meha, Tzvetomir, Dominic, and Adam--you replied to me
> personally. Please reply to the mailing list directly so that other
> subscribers can read your post.
> Just reply to the list without editing the email title. For more detail,
> see this page https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eeglab.org/others/EEGLAB_mailing_lists.html__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdXX3r0GI$ 
> 
> Maybe we need a Google Document Spreadsheet to manage the potential
> authors' names.
> Can someone volunteer to manage it?
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> 
> I was telling Mate and Cedric that I was probably the least interested in
> this topic. I was very impressed by Gao and colleague's paper (2017
> NeuroImage) that the spectral exponent (SPEX) may reflect E/I balance. But
> there are other factors that contribute to SPEX. I thought the most
> dominant one was the 'dendritic filtering' described by the cable theory.
> If you read Electric Fields of the Brain (2006), you find this is one of
> the major sources of the 'low-pass filter effect' and the other factor,
> differences in network size across frequencies and spatial averaging
> principle at electrode/volume conduction, is more obvious. I want to know
> which factor is most dominant in determining the 1/f-ness, AMPA/GABA_A
> receptor balance, the 'dendritic filter' by the cable theory, or the
> differences in spatial network sizes across signal frequencies, otherwise I
> feel uneasy what we are discussing. Note that Voytek lab has been
> publishing really solid evidence using simulated, animal, and human
> datasets, so I have no doubt there. But still, I want to see by and large
> ratio of influence across those multiple factors.
> 
> So, what is so interesting about the 1/f-ness? Can anyone tell me please?
> 
> Mate and I will meet on Zoom on Nov 7, 11 am - noon in EST (i.e., the New
> York time zone). I invite you to jump in if you can make it.
> 
> Time: Nov 7, 2025 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/98219923907?pwd=YkR9t04S7N23IP7Rf1XZXmHvK5LXsY.1__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdEZkHooc$ 
> Meeting ID: 982 1992 3907
> Password: 681398
> 
> Makoto
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 7:07 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
>> 
>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
>> 
>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
>> are what matter most.
>> 
>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
>> everyone can stay in the loop.
>> 
>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
>> mailing list–initiated publications.
>> 
>> Makoto
>> 
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
>> 
>> 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdB87tEFY$ 
>> 
>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
>> 
>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  >>
>> **Dear subscribers,
>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
>> 
>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
>> author did not like… etc., etc.
>> 
>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  >>
>> *>* wrote:
>> *>* >
>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank issue
>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
>> *>* experiment
>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
>> *>* following
>> *>* >> as an input.
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for asking
>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this issue,
>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to this
>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  > If your
>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor. Probably
>> *>* we
>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
>> *>* EEGLAB
>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Makoto*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Prof. Efthymios Papatzikis" <efp331 at mail.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 09:00:16 CET
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Dear Makoto, 
> 
> I would be very interested to participate in this open project. When you have more details on next steps, please share and advise accordingly. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Efthymios
> 
> Professor Efthymios (Timos) Papatzikis 
> PhD, PhD, FHEA, Cert.Neuro.
> - Neuroscience and Medical Psychology, School of Health Sciences and Psychology, Canadian University Dubai, U.A.E.
> - NICU Senior Research Fellow, ‘Panagiotis and Aglaia Kyriakou’ Children’s Hospital, Athens, Greece
> - World Health Organization roster of consultants for Brain Health
> - World Health Organization certified specialist for Social Prescribing
> - Associate Editor - Frontiers in Pediatric Psychology Journal
> 
> I may write emails at unusual hours. Please don’t feel obligated to reply until your normal working time. Our personal time and moments with family are limited and precious; safeguarding them helps us bring our best to our work.
> 
>> On 5 Nov 2025, at 04:07, Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
>> 
>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
>> 
>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
>> are what matter most.
>> 
>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
>> everyone can stay in the loop.
>> 
>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
>> mailing list–initiated publications.
>> 
>> Makoto
>> 
>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
>> 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$ 
>> 
>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
>> 
>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> **Dear subscribers,
>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
>> 
>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
>> author did not like… etc., etc.
>> 
>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   >>
>> *>* wrote:
>> *>* >
>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank issue
>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
>> *>* experiment
>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
>> *>* following
>> *>* >> as an input.
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for asking
>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this issue,
>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to this
>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist   > If your
>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor. Probably
>> *>* we
>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
>> *>* EEGLAB
>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
>> *>* >>
>> *>* >> Makoto*
>> _______________________________________________
>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist  .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Dr. rer. nat. Stefan Arnau" <arnau at ifado.de>
> Subject: [Eeglablist] Open position: Postdoctoral Researcher in Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics / Mobile EEG Research
> Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:53:11 CET
> To: <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> We are seeking a *Postdoctoral Researcher in Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics / Mobile EEG Research.*The position is initially limited to 3 years but can be extended.
> 
> IfADo studies the risks and opportunities of modern work through interdisciplinary research, combining ergonomics, immunology, toxicology, psychology, and neuroscience.
> 
> 
> *Responsibilities:*
> 
> **
> The successful candidate will
> 
> ·plan and conduct neuroscientific studies in applied experimental psychology (amongst others in a virtual gait laboratory)
> ·focus on topics such as cognitive resource distribution, task engagement and disengagement, mental fatigue, and mind wandering
> ·work with EEG methods, ranging from laboratory to mobile EEG studies
> ·lead data analysis
> 
> ·publish and present internationally
> 
> 
> *Requirements:*
> 
> **
> PhD in psychology, cognitive science, ergonomics, or biology; strong methodological skills; experience in presenting and publishing scientific results; good English skills; teamwork ability; and interest in interdisciplinary research. Experience with EEG data collection and analysis as well as programming skills are desirable.
> 
> Please send your application documents, including your resume, certificates, and a cover letter, stating the reference number "FB Ergo 02/25," by email to bewerbung at ifado.de by November 23, 2025. 23.11.2025
> 
> 
> For more information, please mail to wascher at ifado.de <mailto:wascher at ifado.de>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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