[Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s 1/f power distribution
Karina Maciejewska
karina.maciejewska at gmail.com
Fri Nov 7 01:35:36 PST 2025
Dear Makoto and All,
I'll be thrilled to join the project and collaborate on the EEG's 1/f power
distribution.
I'm a neuroscientist working at the Institute of Biomedical Engineering,
University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland. I've been working with EEG for
the past few years, and recently got interested in the 1/f power
distribution. I'll be happy to learn more and contribute.
Best regards,
Karina Maciejewska
Institute of Biomedical Engineering
Faculty of Science and Technology
University of Silesia in Katowice
pt., 7 lis 2025, 09:56 użytkownik <eeglablist-request at sccn.ucsd.edu>
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> 1. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution (Danish Mahmood)
> 2. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution (ivano triggiani)
> 3. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f (Sara Assecondi)
> 4. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution (Rawls, Eric)
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Danish Mahmood <danish_mkhan at yahoo.com>
> To: Siddhesh Salfale <siddheshsalphale at gmail.com>, Makoto Miyakoshi <
> mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 11:43:36 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Dear Makato
> Thank you for the invitation. During my PhD, I did find that PSD do cause
> issues in connectivity estimation.
> Here is my paper published long ago
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmpb.2022.107242__;!!Mih3wA!HbgfTUKvMJpcnvsApskToRrubT3WLPtJgwQ5fiETBqNeJWiwRWlB3jyty0kDqLfrcHSo2R00YAH2VpJLfA4gPGkZvvs$
> I would be happy to accept your invitation and would love to collaborate
> with you.
> Thank you
> RegardsDr Danish
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 7:32 PM, Siddhesh Salfale via eeglablist<
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote: Hi Makoto,
>
>
> Thank you for the invitation to collaborate. As a Masters student, I am
> highly interested about this research in EEG and also working on this in my
> Master Thesis. A genuine request to add me as a collaborator.
>
> Would love to contribute and showcase some of my expertise.
>
>
> Sincerely Thanks,
> Siddhesh
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, 5 Nov, 2025, 7:09 am Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist, <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> > issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
> > this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> > _______________________________________________
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: ivano triggiani <ivanotriggiani at gmail.com>
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 06:49:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Sorry for replying only to you. I am very interested to the project! At
> the moment, I am using Eeglab for the preprocessing, but using Python for
> the food model.
>
> Ivano
>
> ---
>
> *Antonio Ivano Triggiani, Ph.D.*
>
>
> ________________________________________________
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025, 8:59 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> > issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
> > this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> > https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Sara Assecondi <sara.assecondi at unitn.it>
> To: eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:28:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG?s 1/f
> Hello List, Makoto,
>
> I’d be interested to know more about what the project would entail.
>
> Thanks
> Best
> Sara
>
>
> ——————————————————————————————————————————
> Sara Assecondi, PhD
>
> Department of Psychology and Cognitive Science (DIPSCO)
> Center for Mind and Brain Sciences (CIMeC),
> University of Trento, Italy
>
> Corso Bettini, Rovereto, TN, IT
> room: 238, Fedrigotti
> email: sara.assecondi at unitn.it
> website:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://webapps.unitn.it/du/it/Persona/PER0056324/Curriculum__;!!Mih3wA!Aa3CRAgE3LH1hKIV4Q1iSWUuqmkGjEQ8gRvWNxVA_Rk4edkZiDcCAVUO6XUGJkanVSfWzdiD8kqM3TaFI8nHRfQg0dQB7e6k$
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 01:07:02 CET
> > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> >> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Natarajan, Nandhini" <nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:00:10 CET
> > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>, EEGLAB List <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Dear Makoto
> > Thank you for the invitation. I’m a PhD student and have been using
> FOOOF on my MEG data. I’m curious to learn more about the 1/f power
> distribution and would love to collaborate on this paper.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Best
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Nandhini Natarajan
> >
> > Doctoral Researcher
> >
> > Centre of Excellence in Music, Mind, Body and Brain<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/hytk/fi/laitokset/mutku/en/research/coe-mmbb__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxflC9h6g$
> >
> >
> > Department of Music, Art and Culture Studies<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/hytk/fi/laitokset/mutku/en__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lz1-0tRWA$
> >
> >
> > University of Jyväskylä<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/en/frontpage__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxcB5Nk1g$
> >
> >
> > nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi<mailto:nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Makoto
> Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > Date: Wednesday, 5. November 2025 at 4.13
> > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <
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> >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> >> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810039025*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=EU5i3y5ahzNpEIwr2rLcjHI7ghJwjpjY0z7b1*2FqzDVo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5ly_qp-Scw$
> >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu. <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810049287*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DohfPMmUxm7uzkfoDHJSKt3cMLCwwXg*2FnQ6Ne3*2FOCYM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lx5vHm6NQ$
> > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
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> <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Hanna Szakács <szakacsmiriamhanna at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 14:03:08 CET
> > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I was reading the mentioned conversation with great interest. I'm no
> expert
> > in this field but would be interested to see how I could contribute.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Hanna
> >
> > Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> ezt írta
> > (időpont: 2025. nov. 5., Sze, 3:02):
> >
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> >> issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> >> asking
> >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> >> issue,
> >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> >> this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> >> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> >> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: 장진원 <jinwon06292 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 18:56:03 CET
> > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Dear Prof. Miyakoshi and eeglab mailing list,
> >
> > After I initiated the post about 1/f background activity in the mailing
> > list, I have interestingly read all replies and posts that you and
> > Gyurkovics made. Although I am not a specialist in bioengineering or
> signal
> > processing, I'd like to contribute to this open project if there is any
> > area that I could help with. I usually deal with empirical EEG data for
> > diagnosis of psychological disorders or sleep abnormalities, so I may
> help
> > you to test the 1/f distribution tool to empirical datasets somehow. Here
> > is a short profile of my previous activities:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://orcid.org/0009-0004-6411-9761__;!!Mih3wA!DExfo_cajnGNEISR47nd1WXzAtRRDHfN40LtAOKv0-lvc1Z9oGpYe1SfygqH6IEFQJTg525Rqckdfpe_ROSazhuAnw$
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Jinwon Chang
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> >> issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> >> asking
> >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> >> issue,
> >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> >> this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> >> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> >> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 16:40:57 CET
> > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > I'm surprised to find many responses in just over a night.
> >
> > Ivano, Toby, Maruti, Meha, Tzvetomir, Dominic, and Adam--you replied to
> me
> > personally. Please reply to the mailing list directly so that other
> > subscribers can read your post.
> > Just reply to the list without editing the email title. For more detail,
> > see this page
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eeglab.org/others/EEGLAB_mailing_lists.html__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdXX3r0GI$
> >
> > Maybe we need a Google Document Spreadsheet to manage the potential
> > authors' names.
> > Can someone volunteer to manage it?
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >
> > I was telling Mate and Cedric that I was probably the least interested in
> > this topic. I was very impressed by Gao and colleague's paper (2017
> > NeuroImage) that the spectral exponent (SPEX) may reflect E/I balance.
> But
> > there are other factors that contribute to SPEX. I thought the most
> > dominant one was the 'dendritic filtering' described by the cable theory.
> > If you read Electric Fields of the Brain (2006), you find this is one of
> > the major sources of the 'low-pass filter effect' and the other factor,
> > differences in network size across frequencies and spatial averaging
> > principle at electrode/volume conduction, is more obvious. I want to know
> > which factor is most dominant in determining the 1/f-ness, AMPA/GABA_A
> > receptor balance, the 'dendritic filter' by the cable theory, or the
> > differences in spatial network sizes across signal frequencies,
> otherwise I
> > feel uneasy what we are discussing. Note that Voytek lab has been
> > publishing really solid evidence using simulated, animal, and human
> > datasets, so I have no doubt there. But still, I want to see by and large
> > ratio of influence across those multiple factors.
> >
> > So, what is so interesting about the 1/f-ness? Can anyone tell me please?
> >
> > Mate and I will meet on Zoom on Nov 7, 11 am - noon in EST (i.e., the New
> > York time zone). I invite you to jump in if you can make it.
> >
> > Time: Nov 7, 2025 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/98219923907?pwd=YkR9t04S7N23IP7Rf1XZXmHvK5LXsY.1__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdEZkHooc$
> > Meeting ID: 982 1992 3907
> > Password: 681398
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 7:07 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdB87tEFY$
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu.
> <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Prof. Efthymios Papatzikis" <efp331 at mail.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 09:00:16 CET
> > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Dear Makoto,
> >
> > I would be very interested to participate in this open project. When you
> have more details on next steps, please share and advise accordingly.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Efthymios
> >
> > Professor Efthymios (Timos) Papatzikis
> > PhD, PhD, FHEA, Cert.Neuro.
> > - Neuroscience and Medical Psychology, School of Health Sciences and
> Psychology, Canadian University Dubai, U.A.E.
> > - NICU Senior Research Fellow, ‘Panagiotis and Aglaia Kyriakou’
> Children’s Hospital, Athens, Greece
> > - World Health Organization roster of consultants for Brain Health
> > - World Health Organization certified specialist for Social Prescribing
> > - Associate Editor - Frontiers in Pediatric Psychology Journal
> >
> > I may write emails at unusual hours. Please don’t feel obligated to
> reply until your normal working time. Our personal time and moments with
> family are limited and precious; safeguarding them helps us bring our best
> to our work.
> >
> >> On 5 Nov 2025, at 04:07, Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Dr. rer. nat. Stefan Arnau" <arnau at ifado.de>
> > Subject: [Eeglablist] Open position: Postdoctoral Researcher in
> Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics / Mobile EEG Research
> > Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:53:11 CET
> > To: <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > We are seeking a *Postdoctoral Researcher in Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics
> / Mobile EEG Research.*The position is initially limited to 3 years but can
> be extended.
> >
> > IfADo studies the risks and opportunities of modern work through
> interdisciplinary research, combining ergonomics, immunology, toxicology,
> psychology, and neuroscience.
> >
> >
> > *Responsibilities:*
> >
> > **
> > The successful candidate will
> >
> > ·plan and conduct neuroscientific studies in applied experimental
> psychology (amongst others in a virtual gait laboratory)
> > ·focus on topics such as cognitive resource distribution, task
> engagement and disengagement, mental fatigue, and mind wandering
> > ·work with EEG methods, ranging from laboratory to mobile EEG studies
> > ·lead data analysis
> >
> > ·publish and present internationally
> >
> >
> > *Requirements:*
> >
> > **
> > PhD in psychology, cognitive science, ergonomics, or biology; strong
> methodological skills; experience in presenting and publishing scientific
> results; good English skills; teamwork ability; and interest in
> interdisciplinary research. Experience with EEG data collection and
> analysis as well as programming skills are desirable.
> >
> > Please send your application documents, including your resume,
> certificates, and a cover letter, stating the reference number "FB Ergo
> 02/25," by email to bewerbung at ifado.de by November 23, 2025. 23.11.2025
> >
> >
> > For more information, please mail to wascher at ifado.de <mailto:
> wascher at ifado.de>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Rawls, Eric" <rawlse at uncw.edu>
> To:
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:14:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> I followed the conversation with some interest as well. You might be aware
> that I recently published a registered report in Psychophysiology that
> attempted to shed some light on these issues (Oscillatory and Aperiodic
> Contributions to EEG Event‐Related Time‐Frequency Metrics During Cognitive
> Control and Reinforcement Processing: A Registered Report - PMC
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://share.google/hrsVj0cLrJ7wKk8Z1__;!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqWtW2gn3Q$
> ). I would be happy to discuss or consult on analysis on this project, or
> to be an author as things shake out. Feel free to hit me up.
>
> Best, Eric
>
> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg__;!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqU1hozmcQ$
> >
> ________________________________
> From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Hanna
> Szakács via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2025 8:03:08 AM
> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
>
> [This email originated from outside of UNCW]
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was reading the mentioned conversation with great interest. I'm no expert
> in this field but would be interested to see how I could contribute.
>
> Best wishes,
> Hanna
>
> Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> ezt írta
> (időpont: 2025. nov. 5., Sze, 3:02):
>
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.frontiersin.org*2Fjournals*2Fsignal-processing*2Farticles*2F10.3389*2Ffrsip.2023.1064138*2Ffull__*3B!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ*24&data=05*7C02*7Crawlse*40uncw.edu*7C41572081eaed438cba2108de1cb48b9b*7C2213678197534c75af2868a078871ebf*7C0*7C0*7C638979758915573985*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=6PlSyVVc4*2Fzrb*2F0oZprXurT0Kk1*2Fmrd12SM8Tfjncig*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqU7T-86Gw$
> <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Crawlse*40uncw.edu*7C41572081eaed438cba2108de1cb48b9b*7C2213678197534c75af2868a078871ebf*7C0*7C0*7C638979758915597093*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=Xw3iIlaxAjwhpfW0lKpL3kTt9OwyZU5bkPGKf3*2BaqPY*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqWCvi2P-Q$
> >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Crawlse*40uncw.edu*7C41572081eaed438cba2108de1cb48b9b*7C2213678197534c75af2868a078871ebf*7C0*7C0*7C638979758915613902*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=ThQH57EePSXqKi1gGJLQDBTe5jU8K9VEPFrSKAu51P8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqWFSZFGVg$
> >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> > issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
> > this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu. <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Crawlse*40uncw.edu*7C41572081eaed438cba2108de1cb48b9b*7C2213678197534c75af2868a078871ebf*7C0*7C0*7C638979758915634373*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=bglMTeEvTacI7SNoQj4uVY1*2BuQe32lWPqb7*2F18K85JI*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!Bz4GI8TcEdvMn-E8Mz40d9akDlGLE5GNRtLbmK5ynY8zMSBeSlEuQgDiDAR95KN7Q4PWtLiJ8pgNxqWWR8wlXA$
> > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >
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