[Eeglablist] Fwd: The first official OneOverF online meeting

[Makoto Miyakoshi]

Update

I added statistics of the meeting (72 participants, 101 min long) and a
link to a recorded video to the following page.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/sccn/OneOverF/discussions/15__;!!Mih3wA!DVWV5gw0Xp6N6ZzjJMTkDVILQiFQGgKaShaGnEQOnaine9wyUG5Vh-G-lj931eN96xCCF_KiSwj-_aUL4N3HaDYcZ0Y$ 
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I appreciate those who volunteered for presenting (Eugen, Jamie) and also
speaking up for discussion (Michael, Maruti, Gian Marco, Evie, Antonios,
Athena).

Here is my response to the comments which I could not reply during the
meeting:

Lukas, you can see result figures taken from Whitham et al. (2007) which is
the most heartbreaking data for AMPA/GABA believers. Beware of overdose of
pessimism.
https://eeglab.ucsd.edu/wiki/Makoto's_preprocessing_pipeline#Ground_truth_of_EMG_removal_vs._data_cleaning_with_ASR+ICA_(For_150,000_page_views,_12/20/2020_added) 

Athena, check Mate's 2021 papar (Gyurkovics, 2021 NeuroImage) Figure 2 and
Section 3.1. He reported correlation coefficient -0.1 (Kendall's tau).

Eugen, in fact, we have FT in our hands but never see sinusoids.

Overall, I found Athena's idea to 'form a working group and make a review
paper on all of the possible mechanisms across scales - cells to dynamical
systems etc. of 1/f' sounds like a good plan to me. The idea is close to
what I presented today. I can organize a group for that project and assign
jobs. However, people in that group will be mainly working on literature
review and not data collection or analysis--do any of you want to join this
working group?

An alternative, somewhat crazy idea (as I hoped): We run a mock trial
between 1/f optimists vs. pessimists. The optimist group provides pieces of
evidence that supports 1/f == E/I balance. The pessimist group provides
pieces of evidence to refute it. Then we take a vote, superficially to
determine the winner democratically, but the real goal is to reveal how
many of us believe the E/I balance hypothesis from sociological interest.
This way, we can make use of the power of 180 researchers meaningfully more
or less, if not fully. Another idea is to involve some AI agents to play
the role of a judge to determine which group wins the debate. We may employ
different AI agents for their individual opinions. This way, we can
efficiently educate ourselves while having fun. Maybe we can separate
leagues for background, age, etc. to reveal how we see the same thing
differently. All the processes can be summarized into a paper for
publication.

Makoto

On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 3:51 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
wrote:

> Here is a program for tomorrow's meeting.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/sccn/OneOverF/discussions/15__;!!Mih3wA!DVWV5gw0Xp6N6ZzjJMTkDVILQiFQGgKaShaGnEQOnaine9wyUG5Vh-G-lj931eN96xCCF_KiSwj-_aUL4N3HaDYcZ0Y$ 
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2026 at 10:00 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi 1/f seekers,
>>
>> We will have our first official online meeting for interim reports.
>>
>> To get a sense of the scope of ongoing discussions, you can read more
>> than 200 exchanges of comments and opinions on various topics on this page:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/sccn/OneOverF/discussions__;!!Mih3wA!DVWV5gw0Xp6N6ZzjJMTkDVILQiFQGgKaShaGnEQOnaine9wyUG5Vh-G-lj931eN96xCCF_KiSwj-_aUL4N3HOE4VZVg$ 
>>
>> Where:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/3026035468?pwd=bQg61iUIe0AHfDQ5QSipOSEXi4FzCs.1&omn=96547457987__;!!Mih3wA!DVWV5gw0Xp6N6ZzjJMTkDVILQiFQGgKaShaGnEQOnaine9wyUG5Vh-G-lj931eN96xCCF_KiSwj-_aUL4N3HAyQwaZ4$ 
>> Meeting ID: 302 603 5468
>> Password: 1overF
>>
>> When: Feb 13, 2026 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>
>> What: Brief summary of current state will be presented by active members.
>> The meeting will be recorded for those who cannot attend. The video will be
>> available for download for a few months.
>>
>> Tentative time table
>>
>>    1. Keynote: How many mechanisms of 1/f? (Makoto: 10 min)
>>    2. Progress report 1: Additive vs. Multiplicative (Mate, 10 min)
>>    3. Progress report 2: GLM-based calculation (Cedric, 10 min)
>>    4. Progress report 3: Infraslow soma-dendrite current loop (Makoto,
>>    10 min)
>>    5. (1~2 open slots for other presentations for 10 min x 1-2)
>>    6. Discussions and questions; do we want to host a special issue
>>    etc.. (10 min)
>>
>> I invite you to present your idea/question/quests/data etc. (for example,
>> what can we do with > 170 researchers?) Please let me know by Thursday. If
>> more than 3 requests, we may plan the second meeting subsequently.
>>
>> This announcement is sent via BCC to 137 participants who registered
>> their email address in the Google Docs spreadsheet (the registration is
>> still open)
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vXEp1vlNdI7gVFLMuToOoIxWgABLtykQ2Wh1ElM09X0/edit?gid=0*gid=0__;Iw!!Mih3wA!DVWV5gw0Xp6N6ZzjJMTkDVILQiFQGgKaShaGnEQOnaine9wyUG5Vh-G-lj931eN96xCCF_KiSwj-_aUL4N3H5Rob_P4$ 
>> Separate Zoom invitation was sent as well. Looking forward to seeing you.
>>
>> If you want to have a separate meeting at a different time, please let me
>> know. If there are more than 3-4 participants, I'd be happy to organize it.
>>
>> Makoto
>>
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