[Eeglablist] ERSP vs Time-Freq

[Iman M.Rezazadeh]

Well.again I think single trial spec is hard to see if both of them.maybe I
am wrong!

 

From: Makoto Miyakoshi [mailto:mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:11 AM
To: Iman M.Rezazadeh
Cc: EEGLAB List
Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] ERSP vs Time-Freq

 

Dear Iman,

 

> ERP Time Freq is |F(mean(x))|  

ERSP is  mean(|F(x)|)  

 

This is much easier to understand for me. They are not equivalent. Single
trial phase-variable power modulation can not be observed with the former,
correct?

 

Makoto

2014-03-05 1:01 GMT-08:00 Iman M.Rezazadeh <irezazadeh at ucdavis.edu
<mailto:irezazadeh at ucdavis.edu> >:

Hi all ,

ERP Time Freq is |F(mean(x))|  

ERSP is  mean(|F(x)|)  

 

Best

Iman

 

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[mailto:eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Makoto Miyakoshi
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:48 PM
To: Iman M.Rezazadeh
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Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] ERPS vs Time-Freq

 

Dear Iman,

 

I'm not sure if there is any difference... I was not aware of it.

You may want to check dftfilt3() for the EEGLAB default wavelet (and let us
know what you find).


> And what is the difference btw evoked and induced potential.

Evoked is phase-reset to stimulus onset and induced is not. I thought
Galambos proposed this distinction, but I could be wrong.

 

Makoto

2014-02-27 16:35 GMT-08:00 Iman M.Rezazadeh <i_rezazadeh at yahoo.com
<mailto:i_rezazadeh at yahoo.com> >:

Hi , 

What is the difference btw the traditional time-freq representation of an
ERP and ERPS? Are they the same? Since Suppose,  we have two epochs x1 and
x2 with zero means , then 

 

1-      In traditional  way :  we make an average out of them x_avg and then
make the Fourier transform of them F(x_avg)=F([x1+x2]/2 ) = F(x1/2)+F(x2/2)=
[F(x1) + F(X2)] / 2

2-      In ERPS we calculate time-freq for each epoch F(x1) and F(x2) and
then make the average ERPS=[ Fx(1) + F(x2)] / 2 

 

 

And what is the difference btw evoked and induced potential. My questions
are mostly from Chp 3 of the Oxford Handbook of Event Related Potential
Components pg 77-78

 

Best

Iman





 

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Makoto Miyakoshi
Swartz Center for Computational Neuroscience
Institute for Neural Computation, University of California San Diego





 

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Makoto Miyakoshi
Swartz Center for Computational Neuroscience
Institute for Neural Computation, University of California San Diego

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