[Eeglablist] Double precision

[Rogene Eichler West, Ph.D.]

Hi Stephen,

There isn’t any literature that compares directly LORETA to surface outcomes, so most feedback will be anecdotal. (Bob Thatcher of Neuroguide would have you think otherwise, but he is also the guy that thinks using ICA is unethical…)

We use LORETA-based ROI protocols because it helps us to conceptualize treatment and because of the (likely faulty) belief that we are being more accurate in targeting a specific region.

About 70% of our clients train full cap LORETA either BrainAvatar or NeuroGuide. About 5% Alpha-Theta at PZ, 5% bipolar montage on the surface, and about 20% ILF typically T3-T4.

The conceptualization comes from 1) symptoms 2) raw data/surface analysis 3) z-score surface maps 4) LORETA.

Ex. if the symptoms/history point to PTSD, then I am looking for surface markers at T5/T6 and I may choose to address those first to minimize bipolar placement T5-Cz (or T6-Cz). After good progress (10 – 15 sessions), I will then target what is dysregulated according to LORETA (amygdala, hippocampus, insula, BA 40, 47). Then when we are nearing the end of the treatment, I will train salience/default/executive networks.

Having said that, given the pandemic, we are converting over to home training using the New Mind system, which is based on a 2 channel amp.

Happy to meet by Zoom and demo either software for you – or anyone on this list.

This is my clinic: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://brainhealthnorthwest.com/__;!!Mih3wA!VcLczEN2Eb3usn63FiVrtBZMotkKvjULS7mYSH8NMfELomC_5UEGVQVYJzU7vdw_K6fylA$ 


From: Stephen Friedberg <friedberg.stephen at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, May 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM
To: "Rogene Eichler West, Ph.D." <rogene at brainhealthnorthwest.com>
Cc: Lina Ismail <linaelsherif at knights.ucf.edu>, "eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu" <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Double precision

Hi Rogene - yes hoping to understand relative benefits in terms of training outcomes.

Warm regards,
Stephen

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Rogene Eichler West, Ph.D. <rogene at brainhealthnorthwest.com<mailto:rogene at brainhealthnorthwest.com>> wrote:

I use both NeuroGuide and BrainAvatar in private practice. Are you asking about clinical outcomes?

On 5/10/20, 12:41 AM, "eeglablist on behalf of Stephen Friedberg" <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu<mailto:eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of friedberg.stephen at gmail.com<mailto:friedberg.stephen at gmail.com>> wrote:

    Do people here have experience using ANI’s swloretta application for training purposes? Hoping to hear if that has been generally helpful / positive. I’m curious what the experience has been for those using BrainMaster’s sloretta application as well.

    Warm regards,
    Stephen


    > On May 4, 2020, at 1:14 AM, Lina Ismail <linaelsherif at knights.ucf.edu<mailto:linaelsherif at knights.ucf.edu>> wrote:
    >
    > Dear all,
    > Following makotos Pipeline, the first step is to ensure double precision for ICA purpose. I have downloaded the latest version V2019.1  in which there is no "File' -> 'Memory and other options' -> 'If set, use single precision under...' uncheck it." as the old version does.
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