[Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution

Sat Nov 8 08:39:47 PST 2025

Dear Makoto and list members,
I am also interested and eager to participate in this collaborative paper.

Many thanks for this opportunity!

Jordi

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De: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> en nom de l'usuari 장진원 via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
Data d'enviament: dijous, de novembre 6, 2025 12:56 a. m.
Per a: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
A/c: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
Assumpte: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG’s 1/f power distribution

Dear Prof. Miyakoshi and eeglab mailing list,

After I initiated the post about 1/f background activity in the mailing
list, I have interestingly read all replies and posts that you and
Gyurkovics made. Although I am not a specialist in bioengineering or signal
processing, I'd like to contribute to this open project if there is any
area that I could help with. I usually deal with empirical EEG data for
diagnosis of psychological disorders or sleep abnormalities, so I may help
you to test the 1/f distribution tool to empirical datasets somehow. Here
is a short profile of my previous activities:
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Best Regards,
Jinwon Chang

On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
>
> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many of
> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative paper.
>
> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You don’t
> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to contribute
> are what matter most.
>
> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> everyone can stay in the loop.
>
> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> mailing list–initiated publications.
>
> Makoto
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.frontiersin.org*2Fjournals*2Fsignal-processing*2Farticles*2F10.3389*2Ffrsip.2023.1064138*2Ffull__*3B!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ*24&data=05*7C02*7Cjordi.sole*40uvic.cat*7C2bac2c402af94e47be5508de1cc6e1c3*7C05bec0394f4f40879f2e1e71aa64c56e*7C0*7C0*7C638979837699000489*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=2R8xNboF15SgtPOhxMthuh68poBJslwmHbuJ8wm983E*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EJIy-yomXZ2nwvfN7sltuou4WQ66AEMyNc4F0HypDn2LgBeQzRQs5X_3aDzgabCtUnjlYYyMlxcIK9X2R2p8ddZpzj0$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$>
>
> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
>
> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cjordi.sole*40uvic.cat*7C2bac2c402af94e47be5508de1cc6e1c3*7C05bec0394f4f40879f2e1e71aa64c56e*7C0*7C0*7C638979837699027509*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=WcSZN5Z02*2FP0hdIvcO3ABPez*2FDUPE1SfdBnEB6v5XxM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EJIy-yomXZ2nwvfN7sltuou4WQ66AEMyNc4F0HypDn2LgBeQzRQs5X_3aDzgabCtUnjlYYyMlxcIK9X2R2p8_cfc9hY$   >>
> **Dear subscribers,
> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
>
> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> author did not like… etc., etc.
>
> >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cjordi.sole*40uvic.cat*7C2bac2c402af94e47be5508de1cc6e1c3*7C05bec0394f4f40879f2e1e71aa64c56e*7C0*7C0*7C638979837699045462*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=HuWYedaUWMjCiyRO4ZJbFUQSnLfFx*2Bs0dHqc6OM1nh8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EJIy-yomXZ2nwvfN7sltuou4WQ66AEMyNc4F0HypDn2LgBeQzRQs5X_3aDzgabCtUnjlYYyMlxcIK9X2R2p8YGh-qac$   >>
> *>* wrote:
> *>* >
> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue
> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> *>* experiment
> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue for
> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> *>* following
> *>* >> as an input.
> *>* >>
> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> issue,
> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation test)
> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> *>* >>
> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution to
> this
> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu. <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cjordi.sole*40uvic.cat*7C2bac2c402af94e47be5508de1cc6e1c3*7C05bec0394f4f40879f2e1e71aa64c56e*7C0*7C0*7C638979837699062808*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=zF0LWx*2Fak23o4zNhn7mf1EHg8apBprKroXHw*2FAEwznE*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EJIy-yomXZ2nwvfN7sltuou4WQ66AEMyNc4F0HypDn2LgBeQzRQs5X_3aDzgabCtUnjlYYyMlxcIK9X2R2p8a78U5no$   > If your
> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> *>* we
> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on the
> *>* EEGLAB
> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> *>* >>
> *>* >> Makoto*
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