[Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s 1/f

[mani garousi]

Dear Dr. Makoto and Team,

Happy to assist with any aspect of the project.

Best regards,
Mani

On Sat, Nov 8, 2025, 10:46 AM Austyn Tempesta via eeglablist <
eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Dear Makoto, list,
> I am interested in contributing in anyway I can, I worked with evoked
> eeg/erp methodology to investigate visual stress in my PhD. Would need to
> know more about the project though.
> Best,
> Austyn Tempesta
>
> > On Nov 7, 2025, at 4:02 AM, Sara Assecondi via eeglablist <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hello List, Makoto,
> >
> > I’d be interested to know more about what the project would entail.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Best
> > Sara
> >
> >
> > ——————————————————————————————————————————
> > Sara Assecondi, PhD
> >
> > Department of Psychology and Cognitive Science (DIPSCO)
> > Center for Mind and Brain Sciences (CIMeC),
> > University of Trento, Italy
> >
> > Corso Bettini, Rovereto, TN, IT
> > room: 238, Fedrigotti
> > email: sara.assecondi at unitn.it
> > website:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://webapps.unitn.it/du/it/Persona/PER0056324/Curriculum__;!!Mih3wA!Aa3CRAgE3LH1hKIV4Q1iSWUuqmkGjEQ8gRvWNxVA_Rk4edkZiDcCAVUO6XUGJkanVSfWzdiD8kqM3TaFI8nHRfQg0dQB7e6k$
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> >> Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 01:07:02 CET
> >> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    > If
> your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Natarajan, Nandhini" <nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> >> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:00:10 CET
> >> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>, EEGLAB List <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Makoto
> >> Thank you for the invitation. I’m a PhD student and have been using
> FOOOF on my MEG data. I’m curious to learn more about the 1/f power
> distribution and would love to collaborate on this paper.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Nandhini Natarajan
> >>
> >> Doctoral Researcher
> >>
> >> Centre of Excellence in Music, Mind, Body and Brain<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/hytk/fi/laitokset/mutku/en/research/coe-mmbb__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxflC9h6g$
> >
> >>
> >> Department of Music, Art and Culture Studies<
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> >
> >>
> >> University of Jyväskylä<
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.jyu.fi/en/frontpage__;!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxcB5Nk1g$
> >
> >>
> >> nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi<mailto:nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of
> Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >> Date: Wednesday, 5. November 2025 at 4.13
> >> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >> Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >>
> >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>
> >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>
> >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >> are what matter most.
> >>
> >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>
> >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>
> >>
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> <
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> >
> >>
> >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>
> >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810020066*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DSIoQyV9qa7*2BW*2FCHz4oGTmjTdU5JiCI9p7XL*2BSzKJr8*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lxPfiGC8A$
> >>
> >> **Dear subscribers,
> >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>
> >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>
> >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810039025*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=EU5i3y5ahzNpEIwr2rLcjHI7ghJwjpjY0z7b1*2FqzDVo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5ly_qp-Scw$
> >>
> >> *>* wrote:
> >> *>* >
> >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >> *>* experiment
> >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >> *>* following
> >> *>* >> as an input.
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >> ucsd.edu. <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810049287*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DohfPMmUxm7uzkfoDHJSKt3cMLCwwXg*2FnQ6Ne3*2FOCYM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lx5vHm6NQ$
> > If your
> >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >> *>* we
> >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >> *>* EEGLAB
> >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >> *>* >>
> >> *>* >> Makoto*
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Hanna Szakács <szakacsmiriamhanna at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 14:03:08 CET
> >> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> >> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I was reading the mentioned conversation with great interest. I'm no
> expert
> >> in this field but would be interested to see how I could contribute.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Hanna
> >>
> >> Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> ezt írta
> >> (időpont: 2025. nov. 5., Sze, 3:02):
> >>
> >>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>>
> >>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many of
> >>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> >>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>>
> >>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >>> are what matter most.
> >>>
> >>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >>> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>>
> >>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >>> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>>
> >>> Makoto
> >>>
> >>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> >>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>>
> >>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>>
> >>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> **Dear subscribers,
> >>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>>
> >>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> >>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> >>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >>> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>>
> >>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> *>* wrote:
> >>> *>* >
> >>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> >>> issue
> >>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >>> *>* experiment
> >>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for
> >>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >>> *>* following
> >>> *>* >> as an input.
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> >>> asking
> >>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> >>> issue,
> >>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> >>> this
> >>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     > If
> your
> >>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> >>> Probably
> >>> *>* we
> >>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >>> *>* EEGLAB
> >>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> >>> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >>> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: 장진원 <jinwon06292 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 18:56:03 CET
> >> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> >> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Prof. Miyakoshi and eeglab mailing list,
> >>
> >> After I initiated the post about 1/f background activity in the mailing
> >> list, I have interestingly read all replies and posts that you and
> >> Gyurkovics made. Although I am not a specialist in bioengineering or
> signal
> >> processing, I'd like to contribute to this open project if there is any
> >> area that I could help with. I usually deal with empirical EEG data for
> >> diagnosis of psychological disorders or sleep abnormalities, so I may
> help
> >> you to test the 1/f distribution tool to empirical datasets somehow.
> Here
> >> is a short profile of my previous activities:
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://orcid.org/0009-0004-6411-9761__;!!Mih3wA!DExfo_cajnGNEISR47nd1WXzAtRRDHfN40LtAOKv0-lvc1Z9oGpYe1SfygqH6IEFQJTg525Rqckdfpe_ROSazhuAnw$
> >>
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Jinwon Chang
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> >>> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>>
> >>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many of
> >>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> >>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>>
> >>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >>> are what matter most.
> >>>
> >>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >>> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>>
> >>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >>> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>>
> >>> Makoto
> >>>
> >>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> >>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>>
> >>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>>
> >>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> **Dear subscribers,
> >>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>>
> >>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> >>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> >>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >>> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>>
> >>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> *>* wrote:
> >>> *>* >
> >>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> >>> issue
> >>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >>> *>* experiment
> >>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for
> >>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >>> *>* following
> >>> *>* >> as an input.
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> >>> asking
> >>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> >>> issue,
> >>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> >>> this
> >>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     > If
> your
> >>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> >>> Probably
> >>> *>* we
> >>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >>> *>* EEGLAB
> >>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> >>> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >>> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 16:40:57 CET
> >> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm surprised to find many responses in just over a night.
> >>
> >> Ivano, Toby, Maruti, Meha, Tzvetomir, Dominic, and Adam--you replied to
> me
> >> personally. Please reply to the mailing list directly so that other
> >> subscribers can read your post.
> >> Just reply to the list without editing the email title. For more detail,
> >> see this page
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eeglab.org/others/EEGLAB_mailing_lists.html__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdXX3r0GI$
> >>
> >> Maybe we need a Google Document Spreadsheet to manage the potential
> >> authors' names.
> >> Can someone volunteer to manage it?
> >>
> >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >>
> >> I was telling Mate and Cedric that I was probably the least interested
> in
> >> this topic. I was very impressed by Gao and colleague's paper (2017
> >> NeuroImage) that the spectral exponent (SPEX) may reflect E/I balance.
> But
> >> there are other factors that contribute to SPEX. I thought the most
> >> dominant one was the 'dendritic filtering' described by the cable
> theory.
> >> If you read Electric Fields of the Brain (2006), you find this is one of
> >> the major sources of the 'low-pass filter effect' and the other factor,
> >> differences in network size across frequencies and spatial averaging
> >> principle at electrode/volume conduction, is more obvious. I want to
> know
> >> which factor is most dominant in determining the 1/f-ness, AMPA/GABA_A
> >> receptor balance, the 'dendritic filter' by the cable theory, or the
> >> differences in spatial network sizes across signal frequencies,
> otherwise I
> >> feel uneasy what we are discussing. Note that Voytek lab has been
> >> publishing really solid evidence using simulated, animal, and human
> >> datasets, so I have no doubt there. But still, I want to see by and
> large
> >> ratio of influence across those multiple factors.
> >>
> >> So, what is so interesting about the 1/f-ness? Can anyone tell me
> please?
> >>
> >> Mate and I will meet on Zoom on Nov 7, 11 am - noon in EST (i.e., the
> New
> >> York time zone). I invite you to jump in if you can make it.
> >>
> >> Time: Nov 7, 2025 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> >>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/98219923907?pwd=YkR9t04S7N23IP7Rf1XZXmHvK5LXsY.1__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdEZkHooc$
> >> Meeting ID: 982 1992 3907
> >> Password: 681398
> >>
> >> Makoto
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 7:07 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>>
> >>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many of
> >>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> >>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>>
> >>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >>> are what matter most.
> >>>
> >>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >>> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>>
> >>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >>> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>>
> >>> Makoto
> >>>
> >>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> >>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdB87tEFY$
> >>>
> >>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>>
> >>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    >>
> >>> **Dear subscribers,
> >>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> the **following **as an input.*
> >>>
> >>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> >>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> >>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >>> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>>
> >>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    >>
> >>> *>* wrote:
> >>> *>* >
> >>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >>> *>* experiment
> >>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for
> >>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >>> *>* following
> >>> *>* >> as an input.
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    > If your
> >>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >>> *>* we
> >>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >>> *>* EEGLAB
> >>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Prof. Efthymios Papatzikis" <efp331 at mail.harvard.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 09:00:16 CET
> >> To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> >> Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Makoto,
> >>
> >> I would be very interested to participate in this open project. When
> you have more details on next steps, please share and advise accordingly.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Efthymios
> >>
> >> Professor Efthymios (Timos) Papatzikis
> >> PhD, PhD, FHEA, Cert.Neuro.
> >> - Neuroscience and Medical Psychology, School of Health Sciences and
> Psychology, Canadian University Dubai, U.A.E.
> >> - NICU Senior Research Fellow, ‘Panagiotis and Aglaia Kyriakou’
> Children’s Hospital, Athens, Greece
> >> - World Health Organization roster of consultants for Brain Health
> >> - World Health Organization certified specialist for Social Prescribing
> >> - Associate Editor - Frontiers in Pediatric Psychology Journal
> >>
> >> I may write emails at unusual hours. Please don’t feel obligated to
> reply until your normal working time. Our personal time and moments with
> family are limited and precious; safeguarding them helps us bring our best
> to our work.
> >>
> >>>> On 5 Nov 2025, at 04:07, Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >>>
> >>> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> >>> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many of
> >>> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> >>> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> >>> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >>>
> >>> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> >>> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> >>> are what matter most.
> >>>
> >>> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> >>> everyone can stay in the loop.
> >>>
> >>> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> >>> mailing list–initiated publications.
> >>>
> >>> Makoto
> >>>
> >>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >>> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> >>> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> >>> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> >>>
> >>> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >>>
> >>> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> **Dear subscribers,
> >>> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> >>> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> >>> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> >>> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> >>> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> >>>
> >>> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> >>> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> >>> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> >>> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> >>> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> >>> author did not like… etc., etc.
> >>>
> >>>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     >>
> >>> *>* wrote:
> >>> *>* >
> >>> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> >>> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> >>> *>* experiment
> >>> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for
> >>> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> >>> *>* following
> >>> *>* >> as an input.
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >>   - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> >>> *>* >>   'dumb questions')
> >>> *>* >>   - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this issue,
> >>> *>* >>   I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> >>> *>* >>   - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> >>> *>* >>   - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> >>> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> >>> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist     > If
> your
> >>> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> >>> *>* we
> >>> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> >>> *>* EEGLAB
> >>> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> >>> *>* >>
> >>> *>* >> Makoto*
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist    .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Dr. rer. nat. Stefan Arnau" <arnau at ifado.de>
> >> Subject: [Eeglablist] Open position: Postdoctoral Researcher in
> Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics / Mobile EEG Research
> >> Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:53:11 CET
> >> To: <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> We are seeking a *Postdoctoral Researcher in Cognitive Neuro-Ergonomics
> / Mobile EEG Research.*The position is initially limited to 3 years but can
> be extended.
> >>
> >> IfADo studies the risks and opportunities of modern work through
> interdisciplinary research, combining ergonomics, immunology, toxicology,
> psychology, and neuroscience.
> >>
> >>
> >> *Responsibilities:*
> >>
> >> **
> >> The successful candidate will
> >>
> >> ·plan and conduct neuroscientific studies in applied experimental
> psychology (amongst others in a virtual gait laboratory)
> >> ·focus on topics such as cognitive resource distribution, task
> engagement and disengagement, mental fatigue, and mind wandering
> >> ·work with EEG methods, ranging from laboratory to mobile EEG studies
> >> ·lead data analysis
> >>
> >> ·publish and present internationally
> >>
> >>
> >> *Requirements:*
> >>
> >> **
> >> PhD in psychology, cognitive science, ergonomics, or biology; strong
> methodological skills; experience in presenting and publishing scientific
> results; good English skills; teamwork ability; and interest in
> interdisciplinary research. Experience with EEG data collection and
> analysis as well as programming skills are desirable.
> >>
> >> Please send your application documents, including your resume,
> certificates, and a cover letter, stating the reference number "FB Ergo
> 02/25," by email to bewerbung at ifado.de by November 23, 2025. 23.11.2025
> >>
> >>
> >> For more information, please mail to wascher at ifado.de <mailto:
> wascher at ifado.de>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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