[Eeglablist] Filter causality pop_eegfiltnew

Tim Mullen mullen.tim at gmail.com
Mon Jan 20 11:13:30 PST 2014


Dear Vito, answers below:

About SIFT, comparing it with Anil Seth's Granger toolbox it seems that in
> SIFT are missing a few things (probably I don't know very good SIFT):
>
> 1) In SIFT there is only the Spectral Granger Analysis, there is not the
> temporal Granger Analysis. Is this correct?
>


You can obtain a temporal measure of Granger causality by integrating the
GGC (Granger-Geweke Causality) measure provided by SIFT across all
frequencies.



> 2) In SIFT there is not a stationarity test. Is this correct?
>


No there is not a direct test for stationarity (e.g. Augmented
Dickey-Fuller). Instead, stability and whiteness tests are provided. A
stable VAR model is always stationary so if the model passes stability and
whiteness tests (e.g. the data can be appropriately modeled as a stable VAR
process), stationarity of the data is implied. However, in cases where the
model residuals are not white or the model is not stable, it can be useful
to run a stationarity test on the data to determine if this is the problem.
For this, one might consider using the ADF procedure in the GCCA toolbox.
Bear in mind there are a few issues with this: The ADF test is a univariate
-- not multivariate -- stationarity test. We assume the system is a
multivariate autoregressive process (as does GCCA, for that matter) and are
interested in testing for non-stationarity in the multivariate dataset
(e.g. covariance stationarity) rather than testing each univariate
time-series independently. ADF also has low power, and in many cases fails
to reject the unit root hypothesis (e.g. Perron, 1989, Econometrica). There
are alternate proposed multivariate stationarity test procedures (e.g.
Jentsch and Rao, 2013; Yang and Shahabi, 2005), but these are not
implemented in SIFT. In many cases, the stability and whiteness tests
should suffice.



> 3) In SIFT there is a common test for stability and consistence. Is this
> correct?
>
>
No, there are separate tests for stability and consistency.

Best,
Tim


>
> Il giorno 18/gen/2014, alle ore 19:50, Andreas Widmann ha scritto:
>
> Dear all,
>
> not directly related to your question and SIFT, but eegfilt is deprecated
> and I would recommend not using it any longer.
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
> Am 18.01.2014 um 15:47 schrieb "jfochoaster ." <jfochoaster at gmail.com>:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm following the SIFT tutorial, the section 6.5.1.3 is about filtering,
> talk about eegfilt, about the zero-phase (acausal) filter
>
> Is better forget this section of filtering and use the recommendations in
> the past emails?
>
> Are these recommendation critical for the analysis?, I mean, there is a
> lot of work about MVAR models in ECoG data
>
> Best wishes
>
> John
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:05 PM, mullen.tim at gmail.com <
> mullen.tim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh thats interesting. I had not seen Anil's multitaper filter (might be
>> fairly recent). But possibly it is exactly the same approach that is in
>> Cleanline. If this is the method advocated by Mitra and Pesaran as in the
>> Chronux toolbox then indeed its the same. And highly recommended.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Date: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:21:30 pm
>> To: mullen.tim at gmail.com
>> Cc: trotta_gabriele at yahoo.com, drcoben at gmail.com, mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu,
>> widmann at uni-leipzig.de, eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu
>> From: "Vito De Feo" <vito.defeo at zmnh.uni-hamburg.de>
>> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Filter causality pop_eegfiltnew
>>
>> Before using the Cleanline (that I used today for the first time) I did't
>> use the notch filter, I used a multi taper filtering made by Anil Seth. I
>> know that filtering is very bad for later VAR modeling, especially notch
>> and high pass. Low pass is better (usually I use multi taper filtering to
>> remove the noise lines and a low pass causal filter with cut off filtering
>> of 100 Hz).
>> Do you think is ok Tim?
>> Best
>> Vito
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 17/gen/2014, alle ore 20:53, mullen.tim at gmail.com ha scritto:
>>
>> > Do not notch filter your data! This can be very bad for later VAR
>> modeling -- and IMO bad in general. You can use an adaptive spectral
>> regression method such as that in the Cleanline plugin for eeglab to remove
>> line noise.
>> >
>> > See Barnett and Seth 2011 and Mitra and Pesaran 1999 for theoretical
>> discussions.
>> >
>> > Rob, there is no video of the SIFT workshop but the lecture pdfs are
>> online at the eeglab workshop page.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > Date: Friday, January 17, 2014 10:18:32 am
>> > To: "
>>
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>
>
> --
> John Ochoa
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