[Eeglablist] eeglablist Digest, Vol 253, Issue 11
Shikha Prashad
shikha.prashad at gmail.com
Mon Nov 10 14:55:23 PST 2025
Hi Makoto,
I am new to the 1/f power distribution idea, but interested in learning
more and contributing to the paper.
Thank you,
Shikha
--
Shikha Prashad, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Kinesiology
University of Texas at Arlington
On Sat, Nov 8, 2025, 06:33 <eeglablist-request at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
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> 1. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution (Kreml??ek)
> 2. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution? (Karina Maciejewska)
> 3. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> 1/f power distribution (Fernando Ferreira Santos)
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Kremláček, Jan" <Kremlack at lfhk.cuni.cz>
> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>, Makoto Miyakoshi <
> mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 08:31:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> Dear Makoto,
> Thanks for the activity. Please keep me informed about the project. The
> topic is extremely interesting, and if I can contribute empirically or
> computationally, I will gladly do so.
> Kindly,
> Jan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Makoto
> Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2025 4:40 pm
> To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG’s 1/f power distribution
>
> I'm surprised to find many responses in just over a night.
>
> Ivano, Toby, Maruti, Meha, Tzvetomir, Dominic, and Adam--you replied to me
> personally. Please reply to the mailing list directly so that other
> subscribers can read your post.
> Just reply to the list without editing the email title. For more detail,
> see this page
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eeglab.org/others/EEGLAB_mailing_lists.html__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdXX3r0GI$
>
> Maybe we need a Google Document Spreadsheet to manage the potential
> authors' names.
> Can someone volunteer to manage it?
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
> I was telling Mate and Cedric that I was probably the least interested in
> this topic. I was very impressed by Gao and colleague's paper (2017
> NeuroImage) that the spectral exponent (SPEX) may reflect E/I balance. But
> there are other factors that contribute to SPEX. I thought the most
> dominant one was the 'dendritic filtering' described by the cable theory.
> If you read Electric Fields of the Brain (2006), you find this is one of
> the major sources of the 'low-pass filter effect' and the other factor,
> differences in network size across frequencies and spatial averaging
> principle at electrode/volume conduction, is more obvious. I want to know
> which factor is most dominant in determining the 1/f-ness, AMPA/GABA_A
> receptor balance, the 'dendritic filter' by the cable theory, or the
> differences in spatial network sizes across signal frequencies, otherwise I
> feel uneasy what we are discussing. Note that Voytek lab has been
> publishing really solid evidence using simulated, animal, and human
> datasets, so I have no doubt there. But still, I want to see by and large
> ratio of influence across those multiple factors.
>
> So, what is so interesting about the 1/f-ness? Can anyone tell me please?
>
> Mate and I will meet on Zoom on Nov 7, 11 am - noon in EST (i.e., the New
> York time zone). I invite you to jump in if you can make it.
>
> Time: Nov 7, 2025 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/98219923907?pwd=YkR9t04S7N23IP7Rf1XZXmHvK5LXsY.1__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdEZkHooc$
> Meeting ID: 982 1992 3907
> Password: 681398
>
> Makoto
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 7:07 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> >
> > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion we
> > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> of
> > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?” That
> > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> paper.
> >
> > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> don’t
> > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> contribute
> > are what matter most.
> >
> > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > everyone can stay in the loop.
> >
> > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > mailing list–initiated publications.
> >
> > Makoto
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among the
> > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable one
> > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> >
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdB87tEFY$
> >
> > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> >
> > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu
> <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > **Dear subscribers,
> > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> the **following **as an input.*
> >
> > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a co-author
> > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had been
> > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s code
> > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > author did not like… etc., etc.
> >
> > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > *>* wrote:
> > *>* >
> > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank issue
> > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > *>* experiment
> > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> for
> > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > *>* following
> > *>* >> as an input.
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> asking
> > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> issue,
> > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> test)
> > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to this
> > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu.
> <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If your
> > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> Probably
> > *>* we
> > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> the
> > *>* EEGLAB
> > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > *>* >>
> > *>* >> Makoto*
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Karina Maciejewska <karina.maciejewska at gmail.com>
> To: eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:35:36 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> EEG?s 1/f power distribution
> Dear Makoto and All,
> I'll be thrilled to join the project and collaborate on the EEG's 1/f power
> distribution.
>
> I'm a neuroscientist working at the Institute of Biomedical Engineering,
> University of Silesia in Katowice, Poland. I've been working with EEG for
> the past few years, and recently got interested in the 1/f power
> distribution. I'll be happy to learn more and contribute.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Karina Maciejewska
> Institute of Biomedical Engineering
> Faculty of Science and Technology
> University of Silesia in Katowice
>
>
> pt., 7 lis 2025, 09:56 użytkownik <eeglablist-request at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> napisał:
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> > 1/f power distribution (Danish Mahmood)
> > 2. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> > 1/f power distribution (ivano triggiani)
> > 3. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> > 1/f (Sara Assecondi)
> > 4. Re: Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about EEG?s
> > 1/f power distribution (Rawls, Eric)
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Danish Mahmood <danish_mkhan at yahoo.com>
> > To: Siddhesh Salfale <siddheshsalphale at gmail.com>, Makoto Miyakoshi <
> > mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 11:43:36 +0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about
> > EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Dear Makato
> > Thank you for the invitation. During my PhD, I did find that PSD do
> cause
> > issues in connectivity estimation.
> > Here is my paper published long ago
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmpb.2022.107242__;!!Mih3wA!HbgfTUKvMJpcnvsApskToRrubT3WLPtJgwQ5fiETBqNeJWiwRWlB3jyty0kDqLfrcHSo2R00YAH2VpJLfA4gPGkZvvs$
> > I would be happy to accept your invitation and would love to collaborate
> > with you.
> > Thank you
> > RegardsDr Danish
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 7:32 PM, Siddhesh Salfale via eeglablist<
> > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote: Hi Makoto,
> >
> >
> > Thank you for the invitation to collaborate. As a Masters student, I am
> > highly interested about this research in EEG and also working on this in
> my
> > Master Thesis. A genuine request to add me as a collaborator.
> >
> > Would love to contribute and showcase some of my expertise.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely Thanks,
> > Siddhesh
> > ᐧ
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Nov, 2025, 7:09 am Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist, <
> > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >
> > > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> > > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> > of
> > > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >
> > > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > > are what matter most.
> > >
> > > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > > everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >
> > > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > > mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >
> > > Makoto
> > >
> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> > > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> > >
> > > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >
> > > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > **Dear subscribers,
> > > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >
> > > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> > > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > > author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >
> > > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > *>* wrote:
> > > *>* >
> > > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> > > issue
> > > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > > *>* experiment
> > > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> > for
> > > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > > *>* following
> > > *>* >> as an input.
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > > asking
> > > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on this
> > > issue,
> > > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> > > this
> > > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> > > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > > Probably
> > > *>* we
> > > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > > *>* EEGLAB
> > > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Makoto*
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> > > https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> > _______________________________________________
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> > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: ivano triggiani <ivanotriggiani at gmail.com>
> > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 06:49:35 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about
> > EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > Sorry for replying only to you. I am very interested to the project! At
> > the moment, I am using Eeglab for the preprocessing, but using Python for
> > the food model.
> >
> > Ivano
> >
> > ---
> >
> > *Antonio Ivano Triggiani, Ph.D.*
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2025, 8:59 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >
> > > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> > > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> > of
> > > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >
> > > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > > are what matter most.
> > >
> > > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > > everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >
> > > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > > mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >
> > > Makoto
> > >
> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> > > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> > >
> > > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >
> > > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > **Dear subscribers,
> > > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >
> > > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> > > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > > author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >
> > > >* > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > *>* wrote:
> > > *>* >
> > > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> rank
> > > issue
> > > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > > *>* experiment
> > > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> > for
> > > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > > *>* following
> > > *>* >> as an input.
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > > asking
> > > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> > > issue,
> > > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> to
> > > this
> > > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> > > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > > Probably
> > > *>* we
> > > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > > *>* EEGLAB
> > > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Makoto*
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> > > https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Sara Assecondi <sara.assecondi at unitn.it>
> > To: eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:28:06 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> about
> > EEG?s 1/f
> > Hello List, Makoto,
> >
> > I’d be interested to know more about what the project would entail.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Best
> > Sara
> >
> >
> > ——————————————————————————————————————————
> > Sara Assecondi, PhD
> >
> > Department of Psychology and Cognitive Science (DIPSCO)
> > Center for Mind and Brain Sciences (CIMeC),
> > University of Trento, Italy
> >
> > Corso Bettini, Rovereto, TN, IT
> > room: 238, Fedrigotti
> > email: sara.assecondi at unitn.it
> > website:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://webapps.unitn.it/du/it/Persona/PER0056324/Curriculum__;!!Mih3wA!Aa3CRAgE3LH1hKIV4Q1iSWUuqmkGjEQ8gRvWNxVA_Rk4edkZiDcCAVUO6XUGJkanVSfWzdiD8kqM3TaFI8nHRfQg0dQB7e6k$
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > > Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> > EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > > Date: 5 November 2025 at 01:07:02 CET
> > > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >
> > > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> > > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> > of
> > > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >
> > > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > > are what matter most.
> > >
> > > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > > everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >
> > > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > > mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >
> > > Makoto
> > >
> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> > > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> > >
> > > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >
> > > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > **Dear subscribers,
> > > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >
> > > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> > > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > > author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >
> > >> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > > *>* wrote:
> > > *>* >
> > > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> > rank issue
> > > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > > *>* experiment
> > > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> > for
> > > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > > *>* following
> > > *>* >> as an input.
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > asking
> > > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> > issue,
> > > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> > to this
> > > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> your
> > > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > Probably
> > > *>* we
> > > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > > *>* EEGLAB
> > > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Makoto*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Natarajan, Nandhini" <nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> > > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> > about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > > Date: 5 November 2025 at 12:00:10 CET
> > > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>, EEGLAB List <
> > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Makoto
> > > Thank you for the invitation. I’m a PhD student and have been using
> > FOOOF on my MEG data. I’m curious to learn more about the 1/f power
> > distribution and would love to collaborate on this paper.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Best
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Nandhini Natarajan
> > >
> > > Doctoral Researcher
> > >
> > > Centre of Excellence in Music, Mind, Body and Brain<
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Department of Music, Art and Culture Studies<
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > University of Jyväskylä<
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi<mailto:nandhini.n.natarajan at jyu.fi>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: eeglablist <eeglablist-bounces at sccn.ucsd.edu> on behalf of
> Makoto
> > Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > > Date: Wednesday, 5. November 2025 at 4.13
> > > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > > Subject: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper about
> > EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > >
> > > Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >
> > > Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> we
> > > witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure many
> > of
> > > you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > > conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > > off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >
> > > We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > > need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > > are what matter most.
> > >
> > > If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so that
> > > everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >
> > > For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > > mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >
> > > Makoto
> > >
> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > > There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> the
> > > EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > > was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > <
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >
> > > *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu <
> >
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> > >>
> > > **Dear subscribers,
> > > **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > > simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > > project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > > can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >
> > > I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > > (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > > mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> code
> > > in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > > communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the first
> > > author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >
> > >> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810039025*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=EU5i3y5ahzNpEIwr2rLcjHI7ghJwjpjY0z7b1*2FqzDVo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5ly_qp-Scw$
> > >>
> > > *>* wrote:
> > > *>* >
> > > *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> > rank issue
> > > *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > > *>* experiment
> > > *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this issue
> > for
> > > *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of the
> > > *>* following
> > > *>* >> as an input.
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > asking
> > > *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > > *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> > issue,
> > > *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > > *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > > *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> > to this
> > > *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > > ucsd.edu. <
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fsccn.ucsd.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Feeglablist&data=05*7C02*7Cnanatara*40jyu.mail.onmicrosoft.com*7C9db4abe8c0fb4d4e76b708de1c10d54b*7Ce9662d58caa44bc1b138c8b1acab5a11*7C1*7C0*7C638979055810049287*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ*3D*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=DohfPMmUxm7uzkfoDHJSKt3cMLCwwXg*2FnQ6Ne3*2FOCYM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!EjWBKwR5vrQ_B70DK5v-RFTTN7Unn9sByzHwzyBP8jtT6Avrc5ljkphDBw9KkfDSYwyJr9HXoYtfVfW5gAlG6uwf5lx5vHm6NQ$
> > > If your
> > > *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > Probably
> > > *>* we
> > > *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > > *>* EEGLAB
> > > *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > > *>* >>
> > > *>* >> Makoto*
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> >
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> > <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Hanna Szakács <szakacsmiriamhanna at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> > about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > > Date: 5 November 2025 at 14:03:08 CET
> > > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I was reading the mentioned conversation with great interest. I'm no
> > expert
> > > in this field but would be interested to see how I could contribute.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Hanna
> > >
> > > Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> ezt írta
> > > (időpont: 2025. nov. 5., Sze, 3:02):
> > >
> > >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >>
> > >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> > we
> > >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many
> > of
> > >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >>
> > >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > >> are what matter most.
> > >>
> > >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so
> that
> > >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >>
> > >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >>
> > >> Makoto
> > >>
> > >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> > the
> > >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> > >>
> > >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >>
> > >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > >> **Dear subscribers,
> > >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >>
> > >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> > code
> > >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the
> first
> > >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >>
> > >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > >> *>* wrote:
> > >> *>* >
> > >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> > rank
> > >> issue
> > >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > >> *>* experiment
> > >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue
> > for
> > >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> the
> > >> *>* following
> > >> *>* >> as an input.
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > >> asking
> > >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> > >> issue,
> > >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> > to
> > >> this
> > >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> > your
> > >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > >> Probably
> > >> *>* we
> > >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > >> *>* EEGLAB
> > >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Makoto*
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > >> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> > >> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: 장진원 <jinwon06292 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> > about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > > Date: 5 November 2025 at 18:56:03 CET
> > > To: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > > Cc: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Prof. Miyakoshi and eeglab mailing list,
> > >
> > > After I initiated the post about 1/f background activity in the mailing
> > > list, I have interestingly read all replies and posts that you and
> > > Gyurkovics made. Although I am not a specialist in bioengineering or
> > signal
> > > processing, I'd like to contribute to this open project if there is any
> > > area that I could help with. I usually deal with empirical EEG data for
> > > diagnosis of psychological disorders or sleep abnormalities, so I may
> > help
> > > you to test the 1/f distribution tool to empirical datasets somehow.
> Here
> > > is a short profile of my previous activities:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://orcid.org/0009-0004-6411-9761__;!!Mih3wA!DExfo_cajnGNEISR47nd1WXzAtRRDHfN40LtAOKv0-lvc1Z9oGpYe1SfygqH6IEFQJTg525Rqckdfpe_ROSazhuAnw$
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Jinwon Chang
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 8:37 PM Makoto Miyakoshi via eeglablist <
> > > eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >>
> > >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> > we
> > >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many
> > of
> > >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >>
> > >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > >> are what matter most.
> > >>
> > >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so
> that
> > >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >>
> > >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >>
> > >> Makoto
> > >>
> > >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> > the
> > >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!Cbh-YHezfgaqMmBE5W3ZEgrQrVWaUWYz-KTmrvjznnSBUe4gGGPHnTU4wiXAUjuTUdp3kJzk20zqxfyCe0Sn4D1t7BQ$
> > >>
> > >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >>
> > >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > >> **Dear subscribers,
> > >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > >> issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a
> > >> simulation **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small
> > >> project on this issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you
> > >> can give me any of the **following **as an input.*
> > >>
> > >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited a person whose name had
> been
> > >> mysteriously engraved for over a decade in an annotation of EEGLAB’s
> > code
> > >> in question; I cited four authorities via unfashionable “private
> > >> communication”; and yes, I gave the paper a catchy title that the
> first
> > >> author did not like… etc., etc.
> > >>
> > >>> * > On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > >> *>* wrote:
> > >> *>* >
> > >> *>* >> Dear subscribers,
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data
> > rank
> > >> issue
> > >> *>* >> with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > >> *>* experiment
> > >> *>* >> with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> issue
> > for
> > >> *>* >> publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> the
> > >> *>* following
> > >> *>* >> as an input.
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> - Questions (what is puzzling for you? No need to be shy for
> > >> asking
> > >> *>* >> 'dumb questions')
> > >> *>* >> - Requests (if you want to know particularly X and/or Y on
> this
> > >> issue,
> > >> *>* >> I may be able to give you the answer based on the simulation
> > test)
> > >> *>* >> - Suggestions (about methods, data type, applications, etc)
> > >> *>* >> - Reports (when ICA failed, what did you see?)
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> If you are interested in working with me to make a contribution
> > to
> > >> this
> > >> *>* >> small project, please reply or contact me mmiyakoshi at
> > >> ucsd.edu. <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist > If
> > your
> > >> *>* >> contribution is substantial, I'll offer you to be a coauthor.
> > >> Probably
> > >> *>* we
> > >> *>* >> will need as many strange results as possible...?
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Probably this is the first attempt to run an open experiment on
> > the
> > >> *>* EEGLAB
> > >> *>* >> mailing list--please join us and let's find out what happens!
> > >> *>* >>
> > >> *>* >> Makoto*
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> To unsubscribe, send an empty email to
> > >> eeglablist-unsubscribe at sccn.ucsd.edu or visit
> > >> https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [Eeglablist] Invitation to collaborate on an open paper
> > about EEG’s 1/f power distribution
> > > Date: 5 November 2025 at 16:40:57 CET
> > > To: EEGLAB List <eeglablist at sccn.ucsd.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm surprised to find many responses in just over a night.
> > >
> > > Ivano, Toby, Maruti, Meha, Tzvetomir, Dominic, and Adam--you replied to
> > me
> > > personally. Please reply to the mailing list directly so that other
> > > subscribers can read your post.
> > > Just reply to the list without editing the email title. For more
> detail,
> > > see this page
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eeglab.org/others/EEGLAB_mailing_lists.html__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdXX3r0GI$
> > >
> > > Maybe we need a Google Document Spreadsheet to manage the potential
> > > authors' names.
> > > Can someone volunteer to manage it?
> > >
> > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > >
> > > I was telling Mate and Cedric that I was probably the least interested
> in
> > > this topic. I was very impressed by Gao and colleague's paper (2017
> > > NeuroImage) that the spectral exponent (SPEX) may reflect E/I balance.
> > But
> > > there are other factors that contribute to SPEX. I thought the most
> > > dominant one was the 'dendritic filtering' described by the cable
> theory.
> > > If you read Electric Fields of the Brain (2006), you find this is one
> of
> > > the major sources of the 'low-pass filter effect' and the other factor,
> > > differences in network size across frequencies and spatial averaging
> > > principle at electrode/volume conduction, is more obvious. I want to
> know
> > > which factor is most dominant in determining the 1/f-ness, AMPA/GABA_A
> > > receptor balance, the 'dendritic filter' by the cable theory, or the
> > > differences in spatial network sizes across signal frequencies,
> > otherwise I
> > > feel uneasy what we are discussing. Note that Voytek lab has been
> > > publishing really solid evidence using simulated, animal, and human
> > > datasets, so I have no doubt there. But still, I want to see by and
> large
> > > ratio of influence across those multiple factors.
> > >
> > > So, what is so interesting about the 1/f-ness? Can anyone tell me
> please?
> > >
> > > Mate and I will meet on Zoom on Nov 7, 11 am - noon in EST (i.e., the
> New
> > > York time zone). I invite you to jump in if you can make it.
> > >
> > > Time: Nov 7, 2025 11:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ucsd.zoom.us/j/98219923907?pwd=YkR9t04S7N23IP7Rf1XZXmHvK5LXsY.1__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdEZkHooc$
> > > Meeting ID: 982 1992 3907
> > > Password: 681398
> > >
> > > Makoto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 7:07 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at ucsd.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello EEGLAB mailing list,
> > >>
> > >> Some of you may recall the long, dense, and ever-continuing discussion
> > we
> > >> witnessed this summer about EEG’s 1/f power distribution. I’m sure
> many
> > of
> > >> you wondered, “Can they please stop quoting papers while speaking?”
> That
> > >> conversation seemed to have ended on the list. But it has continued
> > >> off-list! And now, it has led to the idea of writing a collaborative
> > paper.
> > >>
> > >> We’d like to invite anyone interested to join this open project. You
> > don’t
> > >> need to be a specialist; genuine curiosity and a willingness to
> > contribute
> > >> are what matter most.
> > >>
> > >> If you’d like to participate, please reply to this mailing list so
> that
> > >> everyone can stay in the loop.
> > >>
> > >> For those curious, I’ve also included below a brief history of EEGLAB
> > >> mailing list–initiated publications.
> > >>
> > >> Makoto
> > >>
> > >> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> > >> There have been several papers initiated through collaborations among
> > the
> > >> EEGLAB mailing list community and myself. Perhaps the most memorable
> one
> > >> was the *ICA's bug *paper:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/signal-processing/articles/10.3389/frsip.2023.1064138/full__;!!Mih3wA!BPiQbrV-eQ7cXQTAeozwIJV84VGCG_HpjMHdu1kxPyOJuNbmldwUuMg4R7aVQUmRjhxB3ZQoPR12o77fCQMdB87tEFY$
> > >>
> > >> We can find the origin of this project in the following post.
> > >>
> > >> *On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:25 PM Makoto Miyakoshi <mmiyakoshi at
> > ucsd.edu <https://sccn.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/eeglablist >>
> > >> **Dear subscribers,
> > >> **Recently, there are multiple independent posts about the data rank
> > issue **with ICA. In response, I am thinking about running a simulation
> > **experiment **with a visiting scholar to SCCN as a small project on this
> > issue for **publication. I would appreciate it if you can give me any of
> > the **following **as an input.*
> > >>
> > >> I made it festive: I invited a high-school intern to join as a
> co-author
> > >> (his coding skill was GOOD); I also invited
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